how to know you're really saved?

Dear jimbo,

Many Christians suffer from a lack of assurance.
Yet, I believe that they are indeed saved.

Why is it so?

In my case, it was my background and training as a former Catholic.

Here is the Scripture which I meditated upon and full assurance was finally mine:

John 6
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jimbo, in reality, salvation is all of God and none of us, He cannot fail.

That does not mean we don't have a resposibility toward our father in heaven. Besides meditating in His Word, walk in the light and you will be happy.

1 John is the book for you.

HankD

 

Jimbo, you can never please everyone, the avoidance of some things is obvious, others are not and men will disagree about them till He returns.

Jesus gave Peter some advice in John 21:22

NKJV "...what is that to you? You follow Me."

HankD

 

I understand what you are saying. Other Christians should not dictate, but the word of God should. Those Christians who like to dictate should have scripture which backs their position.

I once loved rock music. If fact I use to DJ it at many local bars and weddings. Now I cannot stand it because I know its origin and that it is not of God. As for mixing rock music with Christianity, I think it is a bit of an oxymoran. All music labeled Christian should glorify Jesus Christ, play to your spirit and worship God. If you just like the sound, then something is amiss.

I find many so called Christian Rock songs simply loud and non-understandable. I don't think these type of songs should be called Christian.

I found that some Christian rock groups can produce some good understandable music which glorifies our Savior, but then to listen to their complete album, most of the songs are, quite frankly, garbage.

God Bless!

 

Hi guys,

I am new here. Can somebody difine 'saved' for me?

Thanks,

Janosik

 

I like what Romans 8:16 says -

"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God"

 

Yes, Gershom this is true.

Taken in somewhat of the context...

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Verse 13 is of most importance.

The promise of the witness of the Spirit is to those who "mortify the deeds of the body".

This is why 1 john is so important to babes in Christ because unlike salvation (a gift of God by grace though faith), fellowship and assurance are conditional.

1 John 1
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 3
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

HankD

 

JimboJones,

I thought that Jesus saves. According to what you say, you decide and you are saved. Is there a chance that God says no to your decision? Let's say if you do bad things in your life.

What does it mean that someone is saved? When does it happen?

 

Who are you that you can say '... then you will be saved'. Shouldn't you say '... then I believe you will be saved'. On top of that it would be in sync with your references.

 

He can say that because he knows the Truth. He backed up what he knows with God's Word. He believes and knows it is God's Word because the Holy Spirit testifies to his spirit that it is Truth. If you do not believe there is a Holy Spirit then you cannot receive Him. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. If you hear God's call to repentance, you may call on Jesus Christ to save you. If you call on Jesus Christ to save you, you can be sure that He did by the promise we have in His Word. We are standing on the promisses of God!

God Bless!

 

Now we are getting some place. Simply "Telling yourself that you are saved" is not sufficient.

In Matt 7 those who are sent to hell are shown to be "Telling themeselves" that they are saved - but in fact - they are not.

However - to have that Romans 8:16 experience you must encounter God - and as Paul says in 1Cor 15 "I die daily". We need to come daily to the water of life and drink freely. Simply claiming "to have done it a few years ago" will not get that witness "today".

You can be saved and not be "assured" but you can't really be "assured" and not be saved.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Steaver,

you are right. I agree with you that we stand on the promises of God.

JimboJones,

I am relaxed I have the same safety as you have

But back to the topic of this thread. How do you know that you are really saved?

My point is that in all the places where you use somebody 'is saved/was saved/will be saved/...' you should go with 'I believe somebody will be saved'. You can say what ever you want the only thing you have is faith.

Or it could be me that I don't understand what you mean when you say 'somebody was saved'. This is my question. What do you mean by that?

 

One is saved when Christ chose us before the foundation of the world as one of His. We need to be accepted by Him. He doesn't need our acceptance. The "sinner's" prayer is another example of man's way not God's way.

 

HisMercy,

are you suggesting that everything is predetermined? Are you saying that God will save you against your free will?

 

How can you know you're saved? If you've had your salvation questioned by a select group of people who post on this board, you're most definitely saved!!!