How Trump would build his loyalty-first Cabinet

[Earth Wind and Fire]

A normal moral person would immediately clarify that they would not want physical harm to come to another



This says terrible things about you. You enjoy inflicting suffering on others?

Are you taking the moral high ground now? Sure looks like it. This position says terrible things about you.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Are you taking the moral high ground now?

No, just basic human decency. Decency that most pagans have.

Fascists have historically referred to those they don't like as vermin, worthy of extermination. I know Trump is now openly using that expression, echoing the European fascists of the 1930s. But a disciple of Christ should know better.

This position says terrible things about you.

No, not at all. Your response is just sad. You are doubling down. It's as simple as that.

 

[canadyjd]

I hope that you don't really believe that foolishness.

Why wouldn’t I believe it? I watched it happen (shutting down the counting) Then I watched the video of the Dem workers pulling those boxes from under the table AFTER the counting was suppose to stop.

Even if the ballots were legit (I’m not convinced) Kemp should have stated the obvious. It was inappropriate to continue counting AFTER they stopped the counting and repubs left.

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No, just basic human decency. Decency that most pagans have.

Fascists have historically referred to those they don't like as vermin, worthy of extermination. I know Trump is now openly using that expression, echoing the European fascists of the 1930s. But a disciple of Christ should know better.


No, not at all. Your response is just sad. You are doubling down on your evil. It's as simple as that.

Ahh a Pharisee then. Offascating as usual. Pretending you are the moral superior … evidence the reference to Fascists, Trump, and questioning my Christian belief. Shame on you for being the obvious hypocrite you truly are. You should look at your own conduct before measuring mine… why do you concern yourself with the speck in your neighbors eye while ignoring the log in your own eye?

 

[canadyjd]

Except that is not accurate.

The boxes were removed from under the table. They still were sealed. The workers had thought they were done and were planning to leave. Raffensperger made them stay.

So the question becomes whether the absentee ballots, which had been appropriately handed and sealed, should have been counted as many of the workers thought they were done.

This goes back to narratives. We know it was not unusual for ballot boxes to be stored under the tables. We know the workers were planning on leaving and thought they were done. Those are facts.

The facts are… officials announced they were finished counting for the day. AFTER repubs left, they continued counting.

Those are the facts. Whether the ballots were legit or not (I have my doubts) doesn’t matter. The “process” was tainted. Protocol wasn’t followed. The appearance of misconduct is obvious to anyone not biased.

Kemp should have stated that very fact, and did at first, then changed his mind to say nothing to see here.

DT has wrongly targeted repubs. You have many to choose from. Kemp??? Nahhh. His criticism of Kemp is legit.

It didn’t hurt Kemp in the primaries or general election, but DT criticism of Kemp is legit.

Peace to you

 

[JonC]

The facts are… officials announced they were finished counting for the day. AFTER repubs left, they continued counting.

Those are the facts. Whether the ballots were legit or not (I have my doubts) doesn’t matter. The “process” was tainted. Protocol wasn’t followed. The appearance of misconduct is obvious to anyone not biased.

Kemp should have stated that very fact, and did at first, then changed his mind to say nothing to see here.

DT has wrongly targeted repubs. You have many to choose from. Kemp??? Nahhh. His criticism of Kemp is legit.

It didn’t hurt Kemp in the primaries or general election, but DT criticism of Kemp is legit.

Peace to you

Post the reference to those "facts". I would like to see exactly when the election official declared that counting was done (not when some of the workers thought they were done and Raffensberger made them stay).

Thanks.

 

[canadyjd]

Post the reference to those "facts". I would like to see exactly when the election official declared that counting was done (not when some of the workers thought they were done and Raffensberger made them stay).

Thanks.

Reporter Elizabeth Nouyeh of The Neigbor, posted a story on Nov 3, 2020. it stated, in part,

“Fulton County Officials have tabulated all in person votes and ceased counting ballots for the night”

Unless you think she made it up, she was reporting what “Fulton County Officials” had put out.

It was only weeks later did the leaked video reveal they hadn’t stopped counting, but AFTER repubs left, they pulled boxes from under the table and continued counting.

Shazzam! Biden gets just enough votes to overcome a significant deficit from when the counting was reportedly stopped

Kemp, at first, stated the obvious, that it looked like fraud. Later, he changed his story.

Whatever the truth, it is obvious protocol wasn’t followed, the vote count was tainted and remains so today.

DT criticism of Kemp is legit. DT criticism of Pence, DeSantis, Hailey are nonsense.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

Reporter Elizabeth Nouyeh of The Neigbor, posted a story on Nov 3, 2020. it stated, in part,

“Fulton County Officials have tabulated all in person votes and ceased counting ballots for the night”

Unless you think she made it up, she was reporting what “Fulton County Officials” had put out.

It was only weeks later did the leaked video reveal they hadn’t stopped counting, but AFTER repubs left, they pulled boxes from under the table and continued counting.

Shazzam! Biden gets just enough votes to overcome a significant deficit from when the counting was reportedly stopped

Kemp, at first, stated the obvious, that it looked like fraud. Later, he changed his story.

Whatever the truth, it is obvious protocol wasn’t followed, the vote count was tainted and remains so today.

DT criticism of Kemp is legit. DT criticism of Pence, DeSantis, Hailey are nonsense.

peace to you

I do not know that she made it up or that Fulton County officials put that out.

From reports at that time (and per Raffensberger) many counters were ready to leave, thinking they were done. However Raffensberger made them continue as all ballots were not actually counted.

What should Raffensberger have done? Left ballots that were appropriately sealed and stored under a table (which was not uncommon) uncounted?

The election system insured that the ballots were legitimate ballots (not duplicates, not forged). There was no legal (or moral reason) not to count them.

The complaint, then, is that some believed the counting was done based on reporters or perhaps misinformed counters and left prior to the official announcement.



I am not sure that a small Cobb County newspaper reporting that all votes were counted before they were constituted evidence of fraud



The problem was not the box of ballots but a system which allowed for fraudulent voters to cast ballots.

Kemp fixed a lot of this.

I still have an issue with ballot harvesting.

 

[canadyjd]

I do not know that she made it up or that Fulton County officials put that out.

From reports at that time (and per Raffensberger) many counters were ready to leave, thinking they were done. However Raffensberger made them continue as all ballots were not actually counted.

What should Raffensberger have done? Left ballots that were appropriately sealed and stored under a table (which was not uncommon) uncounted?

The election system insured that the ballots were legitimate ballots (not duplicates, not forged). There was no legal (or moral reason) not to count them.

The complaint, then, is that some believed the counting was done based on reporters or perhaps misinformed counters and left prior to the official announcement.



I am not sure that a small Cobb County newspaper reporting that all votes were counted before they were constituted evidence of fraud



The problem was not the box of ballots but a system which allowed for fraudulent voters to cast ballots.

Kemp fixed a lot of this.

I still have an issue with ballot harvesting.

You asked, I gave you an example. You dismissed it out of hand. You would rather rewrite history than admit you are wrong about Kemp. Not a good sign for you

I watched it it real time. National News outlets (all of them) reported the officials had notified the press the counting had stopped for the day. Repubs stated later that’s what they were told and they left. A few Dems stayed back and continued counting, pulling the suspect boxes from under tables. The next morning, DT’s massive lead was overcome.

For someone who doesn’t care enough to vote, you seem to not want to acknowledge the appearance of impropriety.

Please stop attempting to rewrite history.

That Kemp and repubs made changes to prevent similar fraud in the future doesn’t make what happened in 2020 go away.

It really doesn’t matter in regards to the election since the results were accepted and Biden electors sent to congress.

I’ve wasted enough time trying to convince you Kemp deserves criticism from DT.

Peace to you

 

[JonC]

You asked, I gave you an example. You dismissed it out of hand. You would rather rewrite history than admit you are wrong about Kemp. Not a good sign for you

I watched it it real time. National News outlets (all of them) reported the officials had notified the press the counting had stopped for the day. Repubs stated later that’s what they were told and they left. A few Dems stayed back and continued counting, pulling the suspect boxes from under tables. The next morning, DT’s massive lead was overcome.

For someone who doesn’t care enough to vote, you seem to not want to acknowledge the appearance of impropriety.

Please stop attempting to rewrite history.

That Kemp and repubs made changes to prevent similar fraud in the future doesn’t make what happened in 2020 go away.

It really doesn’t matter in regards to the election since the results were accepted and Biden electors sent to congress.

I’ve wasted enough time trying to convince you Kemp deserves criticism from DT.

Peace to you

You make several errors in your post.

I didn't dismiss your example. I have two narratives.

One is from the actual election officials (who are Republicans) explaining that the ballots were appropriately sealed and in an appropriate location, that several counters thought they were done and were ready to leave, that they were instructed to continue as ballots remained.

The other is that a reporter from a Cobb County newspaper posted online that counting was finished.

The facts are that the ballots were appropriately sealed and located, that some counters wanted to leave, and that they were required to stay.

You are asking me to choose between two narratives. Who to believe....the election officials or a reporters online statement?


The other facts include that Kemp initiated stricter voter standards to try to prevent fraud. Kemp took a lot of black for that, including loss of income to the State. You don't have the convenience me of Kemp. I am not a resident of Georgia, so it is not up to me to praise or criticize him. He does not represent my State.


Your other error is posting that abstaining from voting equates to not caring enough.

Like I said before, if I weigh dedicating 23 years of my life to service to our nation against casting a vote...well...the former is enough to demonstrate caring. The latter isn't. You confuse obedience to God in following my conscience with not caring. My first duty is to God.

 

[KenH]

You asked, I gave you an example. You dismissed it out of hand. You would rather rewrite history than admit you are wrong about Kemp. Not a good sign for you

I watched it it real time. National News outlets (all of them) reported the officials had notified the press the counting had stopped for the day. Repubs stated later that’s what they were told and they left. A few Dems stayed back and continued counting, pulling the suspect boxes from under tables. The next morning, DT’s massive lead was overcome.

For someone who doesn’t care enough to vote, you seem to not want to acknowledge the appearance of impropriety.

Please stop attempting to rewrite history.

That Kemp and repubs made changes to prevent similar fraud in the future doesn’t make what happened in 2020 go away.

It really doesn’t matter in regards to the election since the results were accepted and Biden electors sent to congress.

I’ve wasted enough time trying to convince you Kemp deserves criticism from DT.

Peace to you

If there was this HUGE operation in certain states taking place to get extra ballots or changed ballots or whatever to ensure that Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump, then why was it not used to make sure that Democratic candidates down the ballot, such as for U.S. Representative, U.S. Senator, and state legislators, et al, defeated their Republican opponents? Appears to me to be a HUGE hole in the conspiracy theorists' case.

 

[canadyjd]

If there was this HUGE operation in certain states taking place to get extra ballots or changed ballots or whatever to ensure that Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump, then why was it not used to make sure that Democratic candidates down the ballot, such as for U.S. Representative, U.S. Senator, and state legislators, et al, defeated their Republican opponents? Appears to me to be a HUGE hole in the conspiracy theorists' case.

If Biden got 80 million+ votes, 15 million more tha Obama, what did Dems down ballot lose seats?

Political scientists that study elections noted many irregularities with the results, all have been posted in various forums since 2020.

My point is, there is the appearance of fraud in Georgia. Kemp deserves the criticism he has received from DT, not excuses.

There are many examples of DT criticizing repubs that don’t deserve it. Kemp isn’t one of those.

All done now with Kemp and Georgia. Don’t want to hijack the thread.

peace to you

 

[Revmitchell]

If Republicans are going to accuse the Democrats of "rigging" the vote when the Republicans lose an election, and the Democrats are going to accuse the Republicans of "suppressing" the vote when the Democrats lose an election, then what's the point of holding elections with these two parties involved. Seems to me that the United States would be better off if both of these parties went into the dustbin of history and were replaced with parties that won't accuse the other party of cheating when they lose an election.

Any or all of those things could be true. what is not true is the dismissing of those claims as wrong just because they are political or part of an election. That is not a reasonable argument unless some evidence is given to support it. When things did occur such as Candy said and then it is revealed or talked about in a way that simply dismisses it without any consideration then that is the greater concern here.

Dumping party names will not remove people in politics who have agenda's less than genuine. You can't just remove people from politics by "dumping" particular parties. When on party want to engage in a revolution (the dems) in order to dramatically change the country this is going to be the result of it. We are in a Cold War in this country. The political left are the cause of it and they see themselves as being in a political revolution.