That's not entirely accurate, unless you really and truly have not heard Henry Morris or read icr.org. More accurately, you reject Morris and irc.org. There's nothing wrong with simply saying that. It is, after all, opinion, not fact -- on the part of either of us.
Strictly opinion, again, which is fine.
Amen.
I agree with Yeshua on this one. Despite the disparaging remarks that are made in other venues regarding the "cardinal number" rule in connection with yowm, that is a hard and fast rule of translation of the ancient Hebrew.
Hugh Ross and Creation
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Phillip3, Jan 8, 2014.
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There are several flavors of "theistic evolution." First we might call it Deistic Evolution where God was involved in the creation and behavior characteristics (natural law) but has allowed everything now to evolve from the beginning without intervention. But yet another view is God does work through gradualism, i.e. according to natural law, but also intervenes on occasion, such as at the beginning, at the creation of life, at the creation Adam and Eve, and Christ's incarnation.
Genesis on the other hand says God pretty much prompted everything, from light, to star formation, to earth formation, to oceans and dry land, to plants, sea life and animals to man.
If you imbue whatever theory of science you hold with God's invisible hand, you have a form of theistic evolution no matter how bogus the science. -
It would not be possible to argue with the astronomical conclusions presented IMO. -
many times, when the bible itself is given priority, to see science thru it instead, we doing that get accused of being igonorant, pseudo science etc!
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All domains of knowledge foundation themselves and build upon "assumptions" There must always be starting points. I am very sad that you have such little regard for science. The one thing that can be said for science, is that it builds upon its assumptions and foundations with evidence. Evidence that is constantly scrutinized, analyzed and in most cases adjusted as new data and information that is learned. I don't accuse you of being ignorant of science, but that may well be true ( I suspect it is) not in a pejorative manner. -
- Some pseudoscientific theories are based upon an authoritative text rather than observation or empirical investigation. For example, The National Academy of Sciences flatly asserts, ‘While the mechanisms of evolution are still under investigation, scientists universally accept that the cosmos, our planet, and life evolved and continue to evolve.’ That simply isn't true. There is raging debate, even among supporters of evolutionary theory, and even more between scientists embracing evolutionary vs. creationary theory.
- Some pseudoscientific theories explain what non-believers cannot even observe. Richard Dawkins, for example, makes the statement, "Evolution has been observed. It just hasn't been observed while it's happening." That's invalid science. If there is no emperical evidence -- and there isn't -- it can't be considered "science." It's nothing more than opinion.
- Some can’t be tested because they are consistent with every imaginable state of affairs in the empirical world, or are so vague and malleable that anything relevant can be shoehorned to fit the theory. One article, for example, discusses how the male peacocks with the larger more burdonsome tails shows the females they are stronger and more resilient, and therefore better mates, but then later disparages the colorful plumages as having no useful purpose in either mating or survival. A theory that claims to prove everything actually proves nothing.
- Some theories have been empirically tested and rather than being confirmed they seem either to have been falsified or to require numerous ad hoc hypotheses to sustain them. Evolutionists must admit that the fossil evidence is actually slim to no evidence at all. They use something called "punctuated equilibrium" to explain what they claim are sudden bursts of evolution that leaves little to no chance of intervening generations to leave a fossil record -- which of course puts them in conflict with the Dawkins quote above!
- Some pseudoscientific theories are supported mainly by selective use of anecdotes, intuition, and examples of confirming instances. We've talked on this thread about how evolutionists purport that the different breeds of cats, dogs, etc. are "proof." But they are nothing more than artificial selective breeding, and if left to their own breeding habits for a few generations, all these "varieties" would disappear.
- Some pseudoscientific theories confuse metaphysical claims with empirical claims. While making the claim that the theory of evolution has no consequences for morality, nor exclude a "cosmic purpose" from being a reality, the truth is, by telling us our origins it shapes our views of what we are. The writer of Evolution As A Religion Mary Midgley even calls evolution the "creation myth" of our time, but quickly adds: "In calling it a myth I am not saying that it is a false story. I mean that it has great symbolic power, which is independent of its truth. Is the word religion appropriate to it? This depends on the sense in which we understand that very elastic word. I have chosen it deliberately." In other words, she has more faith in her favored theory than she does in the truth of God's word -- a reality shared by all who wrap their heads around evolution, be it traditional, theistic, or some other brand.
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Job 38 was written after we had the words written in Genesis. Thus the words of Genesis, according to the inspired words of Job, did not teach us how God created everything, only that He did.
I am all for a literal reading of the text, rather than a rewrite to fit a paradigm such as YEC or Calvinism.
Lets say it takes 14 billion years for light to travel from inception to destination as observed from the destination. But if one made the trip, riding along with those photons, you would arrive in no time, i.e. less than a New York minute. Can you understand that, or do you side with the writer of Job that we do not know.
Theories, like Calvinism, that selectively pick this or that verse, and then nullify those that do not fit, such as YEC nullifying "we do not know" are a bane to objective Bible study. -
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This is the actual generally accepted view. :) Its author is unknown but guesses include Moses, and Solomon.
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Monumental technical difficulties. Read next post. :laugh:
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Job was an Edomite. And it doesnt matter when his words were written down, what matters is that they were spoken before Moses lived. So Job had no access to the Law.
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