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Hundreds of WMDs found in Iraq
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poncho
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Daisy said:
Electioneering Daisy. Karl Rove style. Put the democrats on the defensive frame the debate and all that jazz. Didn't he just make a statement to that effect? These guys aren't above using old news or even fake news if it serves their purposes they've done it all before. Lucky for them most people can't remember what was in the news last week let alone last year.
"Mussadeh's growing popularity and power led to political chaos and eventual United States intervention. Mussadeh had come to office on the strength of support from the National Front and other parties in the Majlis and as a result of his popularity. His popularity, growing power, and intransigence on the oil issue were creating friction between the prime minister and the shah. In the summer of 1952, the shah refused the prime minister's demand for the power to appoint the minister of war (and, by implication, to control the armed forces). Mossadeq resigned, three days of pro-Mossadeq rioting followed, and the shah was forced to reappoint Mossadeq prime minister."
http://www.parstimes.com/history/iran_oil_nationalization.html
Point being that the US did not create the Shah, or pull him out of a hat. His family had ruled in Iran since 1921.
http://www.parstimes.com/history/iran_oil_nationalization.html
Point being that the US did not create the Shah, or pull him out of a hat. His family had ruled in Iran since 1921.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Revmitchell said:The intelligence we were given by most of the rest of the world turns out to be correct. And it turns out that bush didnt lie, and couldnt lie as the wmds are there.:thumbs:
What else didnt bush lie about
Are these depleted and used up weapons the same ones that Buch told us could strike the US in 45 minutes (or whatever the time was)?
Poncho. I am beginning to make a more or less habit of not responding to you. I have to question the rationality of a person who thinks that a gov't that has leaks all over the place, not to mention quite a few honest and sincere people, could keep everyone disciplined to this grand conspiracy you propose.poncho said:
Yes people have ideas. Yes they are influenced by Satan. Yes Satan is working a plan through the gov'ts of men. But no, I don't think you are making a sound case that the Illuminati, Knights Templar, Masons, CFR, neocons, or whatever other boogey man you dream up are playing puppet master.
poncho
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NiteShift said:
On the morning of August 19, 1953, a crowd of demonstrators operating at the direction of pro-Shah organizers with ties to the CIA made its way from the bazaars of southern Tehran to the center of the city. Joined by military and police forces equipped with tanks, they sacked offices and newspapers aligned with Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq and his advisers, as well as the communist Tudeh Party and others opposed to the monarch. By early afternoon, clashes with Mosaddeq supporters were taking place, the fiercest occurring in front of the prime minister's home. Reportedly 200 people were killed in that battle before Mosaddeq escaped over his own roof, only to surrender the following day. At 5:25 p.m., retired General Fazlollah Zahedi, arriving at the radio station on a tank, declared to the nation that with the Shah's blessing he was now the legal prime minister and that his forces were largely in control of the city.
Although official U.S. reports and published accounts described Mosaddeq's overthrow and the shah's restoration to power as inspired and carried out by Iranians, this was far from the full story. Memoirs of key CIA and British intelligence operatives and historical reconstructions of events have long established that a joint U.S.-British covert operation took place in mid-August, which had a crucial impact. Yet, there has continued to be a controversy over who was responsible for the overthrow of the popularly elected Mosaddeq, thanks to accounts by, among others, former Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and Zahedi's son, who later became a fixture in the Shah's regime. Those versions of events virtually ignored the possibility that any outside actors played a part, claiming instead that the movement to reinstate the Shah was genuine and nationwide in scope.
SOURCE
Written in 1954 by one of the coup's chief planners, the history details how United States and British officials plotted the military coup that returned the shah of Iran to power and toppled Iran's elected prime minister, an ardent nationalist.
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The Documents
No problem Scott, I have to question the rationality of a person that believes all these leaks are unauthorized or that they serve no political purpose. LIke this "we found the WMDs" thing. Classic Karl Rove.
Not everyone is that disciplined that's why there are so many whistle blowers, that's why so many have been gagged by the DOJ. That's probably why the supreme court just reduced whistle blower protections. To protect the guilty.
Whistleblower rights reduced
Doesn't matter what you or I think Scott it's whats the evidence shows, all the documentation and history points to the same people and the same groups. But one first has to look at the documentation to come to any kind of rational conclusion. Sure there's alot of disinfo and misinformation out there and I admit I've gotten caught up in it same as everyone else. We all want to believe that the people we empower in government are looking out for our best interests but that's rarely been shown to be the case.
Like right now, people are just starting to catch on to why the borders are still unsecured. Even some neocons like Jerome Corsi are begining to get the picture that we've been sold out by these "free trade agreements " and globalists. Our government no longer represents the people it represents corporate interests and those interests have no loyalties to this country or any other.
Whether you want to admit it or not there is a big awakening going on around the planet and it's gaining momentum. The governments of the world and those they represent no longer have a monopoly on information. All they can do now is keep trying to discredit and gag those who would tell and spread the whole truth, and they aren't doing a very good job of that at the moment.
Ten years ago the Bilderbergs were conspiracy theory, today the MSM media can't ignore their annual meetings. Seven years ago neocons were conspiracy theory. Five years ago people dared not question whether 911 was an inside job, now there are hundreds if not thousands of professionals and experts from every field and every nation questioning the "official story" and are doing their own research and fiding more and more credible evidence that points to an inside job.
The truth is coming out, deny it all you want while it's happening but that isn't going make it go away or the people who keep searching for it and revealing it bit by bit to shut up. You can hide in all the phoney left right debates you want, deny history and all the documents but that isn't helpng this country the people living here or anywhere else on this little planet that are supposed to be our neighbors.
Daisy said:
It's not just now being reported. The mainstream media has just ignored it until now.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200606/SPE20060623a.html
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Cybercast News Service originally reported <http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200410/SPE20041004a.html> on Oct. 4, 2004, that "Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com ... demonstrate that Saddam's government possessed mustard gas and anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq."
The 2004 report by CNSNews.com detailed purchases of mustard gas on Aug. 21, 2000 and "malignant pustule," another name for anthrax, on Sept. 6, 2000. The initial article included English-language translations of two Arabic-language inventory tables, one for the mustard gas <http://www.cnsnews.com/specialreports/2004/mustardgas.asp> and another for the anthrax <http://www.cnsnews.com/specialreports/2004/anthrax.asp>. The original Arabic-language documents regarding the mustard gas <http://www.cnsnews.com/PDF/2004/Arabic-MustardGas.pdf> and anthrax <http://www.cnsnews.com/PDF/2004/Arabic-Anthrax.pdf> purchases were later made available as Portable Document Format (PDF) files.
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poncho
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webdog said:
Webdog, I've found you some really cool Nazi style propaganda posters for your collection. You don't have to thank me.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005433.htm
Of course in order to be a real American patriot you might want to volunteer some time to the Stazi tattle tale brigades. Join up here. Because...good Americans follow orders and spy on their neighbors.
Bullhorn Rhapsody
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How about the Washington Post?carpro said:
Daisy said:
My point exactly.
The scarcity of coverage is further proof of MSM bias.
It should have been blared across the front page of all the newspapers in America, as well as stayed on the talking head programs ad nauseum.
Hardly a peep.
Why? It makes a mockery of the claim that no WMDs have been found.
Just as you want to discredit it now as no big deal for the same reason.
It's no big deal except as another right-wing hoax.carpro said:
Chemicals were found but even the Bush administration has admitted that they do not qualify as WMDs. I remember going through this with another poster a couple of years ago when he had claimed that a few rusted warheads qualified.
Hey, forget why the MSM has "underreported" this - why has the Bush admin? Why have they said over and over and over that no WMDs have been found?
Daisy said:
:laugh:
"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for." -Bill Clinton on Larry King Live July, 2003
Have some of those been found, ya think?:thumbs:
I wonder why U.N inspectors didn't find them?
poncho said:
I didn't say the US had no hand in supporting the Shah in Iran. He was seen as (and was) more stable and less of a loose cannon. As pointed out earlier, the Pahlavi's had ruled since 1921. You speak of the democratically-elected Mossadeg, yet he desolved the legislative body because he had begun losing support there, and attempted to take control of the military. Very democratic. It was a power play and the US supported the Shah....You say that the US government "no longer represents the people". That is odd, since every post of yours indicates you believe we have had a phoney govt almost from the start. But then this is an open forum, you are free to propound your conspiricies till blue in the face.
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Daisy said:
How could I forget?
they only had seven years to find them and guess what.....:smilewinkgrin:
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
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They didn't find them because most of them had been destroyed the first Gulf War and the rest were apparently dumped?carpro said:
You're aware, of course, that more inspectors went back in November 2002? Then, after the government collapsed, the new inspection team led by David Kay found no stockpiles (a dump is not generally considered a stockpile).c said:
Daisy said:
What is your source for this? The unclassified government document that is posted on this board says otherwise.
www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...classified.pdf