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I believe we've debunked preterism.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by robycop3, Nov 9, 2017.

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  1. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
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    After several full threads about preterism, we have yet to see one speck of PROOF that the eschatological events prophesied by Jesus & several others have already occurred, as preterism says.

    All the preterists' excuses, such as "The language is figurative/symbolic/metaphorical" are false as well, or are red herrings meant to lead the reader away from the FACT that preterists cannot provide PROOF their statements are true.

    The "figurative language" excuse melts in the face of the LITERAL fulfillment of those parts of the Olivet Discourse that have come to pass, and the literal fulfillment of others of Jesus' prophecies.

    I believe most of us agree that the eschatological events will begin with the coming of the "man of sin" to power. The destruction of Jerusalem & the temple, etc. are NOT part of those events no matter what preterists say. They were part of the "days of vengeance", which was another prophecy of Jesus, separate from the eschatological events.

    So, O preterists, here's another chance to attempt to lend some veracity to your doctrine. Otherwise, the CHRISTIAN thing to do is admit you were deceived, that preterism is entirely false and man-made. Just ask yourselves if you want to continue to believe a lie or not.
     
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    Full Preterism or Partial Preterism?
     
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    Perhaps the enticement of “something different” still lures into being deceived.

    Just as Eve, the allure of the new with the vain promise still will open the eyes to accept what is false and bind the heart to believe it true.
     
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    Neither, He has just shown that he doesn't study the bible only Scofield notes, or those that teach them.
     
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    Full blown is the heresy addressed here!
     
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    There is no proof that the temple to be destroyed in Olivet, was not the temple that they were viewing.

    To say otherwise is
     
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    But, it was never the less destroyed.

    What did not happen was the Lord returning, nor is the destruction preventing the Ezekiel temple from being planned and materials gathered for the construction.
     
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    The Church is the Current Temple there will be no other.
     
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    Not what the prophet Ezekiel would prophecy.
     
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    The temple in Ezekiel would be an anachronism. Have you read carefully those chapters in Ezekiel? A return to, not only sacrifices for sin, but circumcision. And notice the consequences of those who do not obey.

    All of this would be a return to the Levitical priesthood. Yet Hebrews clearly tells us that Christ fulfilled, did away with, all aspects of that system, The Melchizedekan Priesthood, with Christ as our High Priest, has forever deprecated the Levitical priesthood. (Let alone all the rest of the impossibilities like a Temple that could ever again be acceptable or pleasing in God's sight.)
     
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    Again, how the preterist pick and choose what is figures of speech.

    The temple will be constructed. Should you abide in this life long enough to see it happen, would you change to a Chilean view of eschatology?

    God stated that such a temple would be built. It was carefully measured and established by Ezekiel and placed in the hearts of the Jews to this day as a promise.

    I trust the prophets because the veracity of their statements has been completely reliable.

    That some do not, presents no obligation for me to think differently.
     
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    Prove it from scripture.
     
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    What exactly am I picking and choosing?

    Ezek. 46:9 “Thus says the Lord God: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, shall enter my sanctuary."

    Phil. 3:2-3" Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh"

    You value a dubious interpretation from the Old Testament over a clear statement from the New?

    Who is really doing the picking and choosing here?
     
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    Easy,

    Do you believe the law and the prophets were accurate concerning all that lead up to the first advent?

    If you do, then why would you disbelieve any matter concerning the all that leads up to the second advent.

    I did not give specific Scriptures, for what reason should such an old man’s fingers undergo such labor?

    Rather, I use what the Lord gave to those of doubt in the first advent.

    Search for yourself, just remember,
    20But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.​
     
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    By assuming, without indicators of which even the beginners of grammar view as indication of figures of speech, that not just a verse, or a paragraph or even a chapter, but a whole spanning multiple chapters is but Anachronistic. A figure of speech indicating that which is out of place in the intended time.

    Why do you think something so vital to the Jews would not be built considering the now are in possession of the land on which it will be built?

    What is now conceivable a century ago was not.

    Not a single prophecy of God will fail to be realized.
     
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    One verse out of how many chapters in Ezekiel?

    And you think I pick and choose?
     
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    OK so you can't
     
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    Think pretierists fail to see that Jesus was addressing what was soon to happen, and what was far off, as they see it only as right now !
     
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    If the Jews build another temple it will be in absolute defiance of the saving work of our LORD Jesus Christ. It will make no difference to my theology.

    What do the Chileans believe? I thought Chile was a predominantly RC country.

    I believe the OC prophets - All but Haggai, Zechariah & Malachi lived & prophesied before the Babylonian exile & the destruction of the first temple. The primary significance of their prophecies were to their hearers, warnings & encouragement to keep the faith, then prophesying the return & exile & rebuilding Jerusalem & the temple - that's what Ezekiel is prophesying in Eze. 40 onwards - and prophesying the coming of the Messiah into David's family as the eternal King of Israel. An Israel that will include redeemed Gentiles from all families on earth, and a kingdom not of this world that all believers are members of - including us.
     
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    1. If I quoted a number of verses (about a dozen or more could be cited from these last chapters of Ezekiel) would you have bothered to read them?
    2. Are you inferring that those other verses in Ezekiel would put the lie to the verse I quoted?

    Surely you agree that the New Testament sheds light on the Old, and not the other way around?
     
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