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  1. TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
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    Thank you. That is certainly a viable definition of Congregational Polity. :)
     
  2. TCassidy Late-Administator Emeritus
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    That was public, Bob. He was quoting my post #15. :)
     
  3. Pastor_Bob Well-Known Member

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    I am on my mobile phone right now. I looked three times but somehow missed that post. My sincere apologies, Bro. Anthony.
     
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    Although I no longer use the KJV as my main Bible version, as I prefer the original Hebrew and Greek, I do find that its textual basis is some some important verses, like 1 Timothy 3:16, which is the clearest verse for the Deity of Jesus Christ, and His entrance into humanity; and 1 John 5:7, the clearest verse for the Holy Trinity. However, it is weak in some areas of important texts, like the rendering of the Greek text into English, for Titus 2:13, and 2 Peter 2:1, where the Greek speaks of only one Person, the Lord Jesus Christ, the KJV leaves it open to the possibility of two Persons being meant. That said, I believe that John 1:18 in some modern versions have it right, where they use "θεός", instead of "υἱός", which is yet another important testimony for the Deity of Jesus Christ, and His equality to the Father, as both Persons are called "θεός", without the use of the definite article in the Greek.
     
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    Iron sharpens iron :Biggrin
     
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    the Pastor of a Church must be accountable to the elders, if there are any, and to the deacons, if there are any, and also to the members of that Church. The NT speaks of Pastor, Elders, and Deacons, though the Pastor himself is also an Elder. Ultimately, accountability is to the Lord and His Word.
     
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    I have crossed swords with TCassidy a few times on BB, as there are some things that we do not agree on, and therefore it can get rather heated. However, I too can be "confrontational" at times, and lack a gentile spirit. But, it is often because we are dealing with very important issues that sometimes cannot be addressed without the need to be firm. I do however agree with much TCassidy says, and have a very similar style to him in my reasoning and arguments.
     
  8. Anthony Pritchard New Member

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    So far it seems, to me, that this forum is all about TCassidy.

    That is my impression at this point.

    As Paul said "some that commend themselves", and again "But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:".

    Just my impression of the personality, not a judgement of what he believes as I do not know much of his theology.
     
  9. Felipe Rios Member

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    What version is your preference?
     
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    Truth offends you?
     
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    You obviously know next to nothing about this forum.
     
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    I think that TCassidy is one of the earliest members, if not, founders, of the BB.
     
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    maybe the "delivery" does?
     
  14. Anthony Pritchard New Member

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    No. Perhaps my perception is skewed, I was speaking to the overall tone.
     
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    I prefer Byzantine based versions. I like the WEB and the EMTV for reading/study in English. I teach and preach from the NKJV.

    My sermon preparation is in Hebrew or Greek.
     
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    First impressions are notoriously unreliable. :)
     
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    Koine Greek has a selection of words to denote the various forms civil government used by the various city-states; kingdom, monarchy, oligarchy, aristocracy, and democracy. (I know TCassidy and JoJ will chime in if I left out a word or two.) So, what is this rabbit trail mean? I try to think of how a Koine Greek speaker would look at the word ekklesia. I'll leave aside the question of Universal v Local Only for this post.
    When it comes to the governance of a local church you have:

    1. kingdom = episcopal (RCC, Episcopalian, Methodist, etc.)
    2. monarchy = senior pastor run
    3. oligarchy\aristocracy = presbyterian
    4. democracy\New England town meeting = congregational.

    The only word translated as church in the NT is ekklesia or the fourth word listed.


     
  18. Anthony Pritchard New Member

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    I have had no private conversations with anyone here, yet anyway. I would never disclose conversation where there was an expectation of privacy.
     
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    I personally do not see this as a church governance issue.
    What do you do?
    1. Find out why members of the congregation desire to leave the fellowship of the other churches and address the issue directly.
    a. Doctrinal issue
    b. Method of worship issue
    c. Administrative issue
    d. Other​

    2. Often the connection to other churches is directed from the church constitution. Use this as an opportunity to re-evaluate the constitution of the church and change those portions that have become dated.
    Rob
     
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    Thank you for being ethical, friend. Again, I apologize for my hasty conclusion. I looked over the thread three times to see if it was a public post and honestly did not find it. It sounded like something Doc would have written in a PM.

    Sadly, we've had members copy and paste PMs to the public forum. That always speaks volumes as to their character.