Regarding Primitive Babtists & Missions.....they believe that gospel ministers should go where they are directed by the Spirit and not by a mission board (Acts 20: 22-23). Primitive Baptists believe that if the Lord impresses one of His servants to go to a foreign land to preach the gospel, he ought to go at once and not wait for someone to pay his way.
I Have a Question
Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by Earth Wind and Fire, Jul 28, 2011.
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Here is another thing you need to know about PB's:
Do Primitive Baptists believe in preaching the gospel to sinners?
Answer: Yes, because the only people in the world interested in the gospel of grace are poor, needy sinners. A man must be made sensible of his sin by the Spirit, must be born again to receive the gospel message (Luke 5: 31, 32; I Cor. 2: 14). The gospel is not addressed to the dead alien sinner but to the burdened sinner (Matt. 11: 28-30).
Do you call upon men to repent and believe?
Answer: Yes, the burdened sinner ought to repent and believe the truth. The one who thus repents, believes, and is baptized is going to be saved from the distress he feels and from much error and confusion (Mark 16: 16). The salvation involved here is not that which takes a man to Heaven, but that which saves his life here in the world (Acts 2: 40). -
So if that is what it is, so be it. -
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It would be nice for other PB's with more experience to add to the conversation however. -
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I will tell you what though Preach......I figured out the question on the OP!
I was honest & forthcoming to each of these Pastors in disclosing that I am sympathetic to PB Doctrine. Bet you that that labeled me a a potential dissident in the back of their minds..... perhaps if I said Calvinist that would also have labeled me....so now Im looked upon by both Calvinists & Non-Calvinist alike. Narrow Minded people living narrow minded lives & stepping up on that pulpit every Sunday. I truly feel sorry for them as they misrepresent Christ in their job as Christs Representatives. Oh well!:p -
And, just for the record, I used the PB website as a source for material that I had already brought into the discussion. Please don't fall into the trap of thinking someone ignorant just because he or she seeks out a source to cite. Doesn't work that way.
I came by my information the good old fashioned way -- hard work, study, and a TON of reading, experience, etc.
That, and you have to realize that I'm not the enemy here, either for you or against the Primitive Baptists. :wavey: -
As an aside, the Primitive Baptists were formed as a sect because of the missions question. They are not "technically" anti-mission," though in any search on the subject they will likely come up first in when anti-mission sects or denominations are mentioned, but rather they do not make missions a priority until they feel a call from God to actually move. That that call comes rather rarely in PB circles seems to indicate something contra Scripture.
That would be okay with almost everyone, save for the fact that the "call from God" for missions came in the Great Commission, for all people, everywhere, in every age, all the time. Also notice in that same Commission that the command is to "go ye..." In other words, y'all, all y'all, yous guys, the whole herd, the flock, the church, the body, well, everyone. :laugh:
And, cannot the Holy Spirit direct a mission board? If not, then the TONS of churches that have been started around the world by mission boards are not real churches, I guess. Sort of falls short at the end of the day IMHO. Again, they can decide that if they like, as long as there is another mechanism in place to fulfill the Great Commission, which, as I see it, is non-negotiable. -
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They got me here in this waste land called New Jersey....heathens everywhere :laugh:
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Gonna be a lot of people saying, "But, Lord, Lord..." That will NOT be a happy day... We will weep. God alone can fix that. -
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Not a jab, but perhaps you're more "missionary baptist" than PB? I know we get proud of our labels, but something to consider? Also, perhaps the cart before the horse here for you, as you don't really have a church home per se?
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If I were you I'd check out that preachers church where he is learning reformed doctrine. :)
Perhaps critique him in a setting after his sermons, ane make yourself a good friend!!! :laugh: :wavey: :thumbsup: -
I have read this thread in this "fellowship forum" turn into a debate over Primitive Baptst doctrine. While I am not a Primitive Baptist I have the same background as the Primitive Baptist.
By the way I'm an Old Regular Baptist -
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My broader concern is that Steve understands something of a group that he has an affinity with, but has yet to join. I'm not even making any remarks as to whether or not he actually unite with the Primitive Baptists! That is his business. I just sense from several conversations that he is searching, but not finding, and a search ought to, at least, be informed.
As for "sect," I am open to, and will call them whatever they wish to be called. I used the term "sect" as a way of differentiating them from other baptistic "sects" one of which is IFB, another is Missionary Baptist, another the SBC, another American Baptists, another Seventh Day Baptists, and on and on the list goes. I mean nothing untoward by the term, and it did not seem that they were a "denomination" because they still identify with "Baptist."
These are some of the differences of theological doctrine that cause those who see some of these issues in another light to consider whether or not membership with Primitive Baptists is something they should seek -- or not. There are other, additional differences as well, such as the need to re-baptize all who join the PB group, as if their original baptism (if done in biblical manner) is not sufficient, which sounds very much like baptismal regeneration (but I'm willing to stand corrected on that point), and the fact that they radically separate themselves from others who have differences.
All of the above was gleaned from the Black Rock Address, Haskell's Articles of Faith, and articles written by certain PB Elders.
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