Featured I hold to these points of Calvinism (by the number of)

The poll is misleading and makes it seem as though these points were made up out of thin air, rather than being the very truth of God from Genesis 1 onward to the end of Revelation. Thus, I will not fill out a poll that is misleading by its very nature.
John Calvin wouldn't even fill out this poll. He'd point you to scripture and then tell you to prove him wrong.
But, since all you want is a form filled out, I will endeavor to have this be my last post in this thread. Others may wish to fill out the poll as they wish.

 

In the old days they used to drown people for getting rebaptized as an adult too. One of the things that I think Baptists can be proud of is helping get churches out of civil government which has been a curse of the church since the time of Constantine. Even in Owen's day if you read his arguments against Arminianism one of his big worries was that if they became prominent in his era it would mean a whole new group of people in charge of the day to day government of the people. The rulers in those days left a lot of that to the church and the churches battled each other for control. I've read defenses of Calvin's actions and I don't accept them but we really can't understand or judge them properly from our modern perspective. Come to think of it, I don't know if Calvin would have accepted all 5 points either.

 

This poll has been open for more than 24 hours yet only about eight people were willing to indicate their belief concerning the TULIP.

Three were mostly opposed to the TULIP and five were mostly for the TULIP.. I expect the ratio of actual posters is even more pro TULIP.

 

Is it, "O.K.", that I believe several "points", such as all these, below:


OF GOD, HIS WORD, NAMES, NATURE, PERFECTIONS, AND PERSONS.

Of the Being of God † Of the Holy Scriptures † Of the Names of God † Of the Nature of God † Of the Attributes of God † Of the Infinity of God † Of the Life of God † Of the Omnipotence of God † Of the Omniscience of God † Of the Wisdom of God † Of the Will of God, and its Sovereignty † Of the Love of God † Of the Grace of God † Of the Mercy of God † Of the Longsuffering of God † Of the Goodness of God † Of the Anger of God † Of the Hatred of God † Of the Joy of God † Of the Holiness of God † Of the Justice of God † Of the Veracity of God † Of the Faithfulness of God † Of the Sufficiency of God † Of the Blessedness of God † Of the Unity of God † Of a Plurality in the Godhead † Of the Personal Relations in Deity † Of the Distinct Personality and Deity of the Father † Of the Distinct Personality and Deity of the Son † Of the Distinct Personality and Deity of the Holy Spirit

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BOOK II.
OF THE ACTS AND WORKS OF GOD

Of the Internal Acts of God, and of his Decrees in general † Of the Special Decrees of God, particularly of Election † Of the Rejection of some Angels and some Men † Of the Union of the Elect to God † Of Adoption as an Immanent Act † Of the Everlasting Council † Of the Everlasting Covenant of Grace † Of the Part the Father took in the Covenant † Of the Part the Son of God took in the Covenant † Of Christ as the Covenant Head of the Elect † Of Christ the Surety of the Covenant † Of the Love of God † Of Christ the Testator of the Covenant † Of the Concern the Spirit has in the Covenant † Of the Properties of the Covenant † Of the Complacency and Delight the Divine Persons had in each other from everlasting

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BOOK III.
OF THE EXTERNAL WORKS OF GOD

Of Creation in General † Of the Creation of Angels † Of the Creation of Man † Of the Providence of God † Of the Confirmation of the Elect Angels, Of the Fall of the Non-elect Angels † Of the Honour and Happiness of Man in Innocence † Of the Law given to Adam, and Covenant with him † Of the Sin and Fall of our First Parents † Of the Nature, Aggravations, and sad Effects of the Sin of Man † Of the Imputation of Adam's Sin to all his Posterity † Of the Corruption of Human Nature † Of Actual Sins and Transgressions † Of the Punishment of Sin

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BOOK IV.
OF THE ACTS OF THE GRACE OF GOD TOWARDS
AND UPON HIS ELECT IN TIME.

Of the Manifestation and Administration of the Covenant of Grace † Of the Covenant of Grace in the Patriarchal State † Of the Covenant of Grace under the Mosaic Dispensation † Of the Covenant of Grace in the Times of David and the Prophets † Of the Abrogation of the Old Covenant † Of the Law of God † Of the Gospel

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BOOK V.
OF THE GRACE OF CHRIST IN HIS STATES OF HUMILIATION AND EXALTATION, AND IN THE OFFICES EXERCISED BY HIM IN THEM.

Of the Incarnation of Christ † Of Christ's State of Humiliation † Of the Active Obedience of Christ † Of the Passive Obedience of Christ † Of the Burial of Christ † Of the Resurrection of Christ † Of the Ascension of Christ † Of the Session of Christ at the Right Hand of God † Of the Prophetic Office of Christ † Of the Priestly Office of Christ † Of the Intercession of Christ † Of Christ's Blessing his People as a Priest † Of the Kingly Office of Christ † Of the Spiritual Reign of Christ

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BOOK VI.
OF THE BLESSINGS OF GRACE, AND THE DOCTRINES OF IT.

Of Redemption by Christ † Of the Causes of Redemption † Of the Objects of Redemption † Of Scriptures favouring Universal Redemption † Of the Satisfaction of Christ † Of Propitiation, Atonement, and Reconciliation † Of Pardon of Sin † Of Justification † Of Adoption † Of the Liberty of the Sons of God † Of Regeneration † Of Effectual Calling † Of Conversion † Of Sanctification † Of the Perseverance of the Saints

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BOOK VII.
OF THE FINAL STATE OF MEN.

Of the Death of the Body † Of the Immortality of the Soul † Of the Separate State of the Soul † Of the Resurrection of the Body † Of the Second Coming and Personal Appearance of Christ † Of the Conflagration of the Universe † Of the New Heavens and Earth, and their Inhabitants † Of the Millennium, or Personal Reign of Christ † Of the Last and General Judgment † Of the Final State of the Wicked in Hell † Of the Final State of the Saints in Heaven

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A BODY OF PRACTICAL DIVINITY

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Have to hold to all 5 to be a real Calvinist!

 

As TULIP is written and taught by Calvinists, I believe in zero of them.

For example, there is no unconditional election. One must believe to be saved. See John 1:12-13, and John 3:16. I could go through all five but there's no point.

 

As of today 10/29/2022 at 2:04 PM no one has voted to believe in unconditional election.

 

A soul must be lost and condemned, by the Law, to be Saved. That Saved soul can understand and be Taught Totally Depravity. By questioning Total Depravity, one is questioning their experience of being, "lost". A soul has to be lost before they can be Saved.

• Romans 3:19-20 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
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• 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no* flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Jesus Came to seek and to Save that which was lost.

The well need not a physician but the (sin) sick.

Unless you a talking about people who think they raise themselves from the Spiritually Dead, mentally, in the physical realm, by mental consent, without God, or Regeneration.

Where do you think Religiously Lost "baptists', or Lost Christians come from?

They are mass-produced by lost 'preachrrs' telling them to 'believe', historically only, if that, without God Wrought Conviction or being Granted Spiritual Repentance and Spiritual Faith, according to the Scriptures.

There is One Way of Salvation, which is through the Blood of Jesus.

Not 'several ways', none of which have the blood.

 

The people Calvin had killed were Good Historically Babtist-like believes, like myself. They were 'like begats like' believers in the kind of church Jesus Built. We are The children of the Flame. '' "Sheran into the wilderness."

I am not fan of that man, John Calvin.

I only heard his name probably 4 times in 40 years of preaching, including Bible College.

He has a system and it has benefitted good men, including John Gill and myself.


I hold to these points of Calvinism (by the number of)

 

Since one must believe before God can save them, then the human is to be praised and God is weak in your theology.

Also, God must be a liar in your theology since God tells us he elected, chose, adopted and predestined his children. The vast number of verses to this end is clear.

Neither John 1:12-13 nor John 3:16 supports your assertion.
You don't even grasp any of the points so it's clear you couldn't go through them and indeed you have no point.

 

I believe God said what He meant and meant what He said.

I agree with Him, not you.

Acts 16:31.

 

Acts 16:31 does not agree with you and you do not even know why.
Therefore, you don't agree with God. Instead you tell us that humans are superior to God in your assertion.

 

Your reading comprehension is lacking. Perhaps “and thou shalt be” is too archaic linguistically for you.

 

"THOU SHALT BE", but Not as the direct
and only result of, "believe", only.

The jailer was aware of Jesus' Gospel and Paul and Silas' preaching.

Then, he, "trembling", asked the question;

29 "Then he called for a light, ran in,
and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas.

30 And he brought them out and said,
“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

THEN, in context, Acts 16:32;
"Then they spoke
the Word of the Lord to him",
for them to "BELIEVE", as in the rest of the Bible.

 

I voted "none of the above" because none of the above are true. However, there is an option to change my vote, something I am willing to consider if a 5 pointer ever produces any evidence that he is actually one of those special people God has chosen above everyone else. It has never been done. The fact that it has never been done is, in fact, evidence that it is not true.

Here is the truth about 5 point Calvinism; They have a Jesus they believe in but they do not believe God.

Example, these following words " For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly." Ro 5:6

These are not the words of Jesus Christ but words of the Father God. There is not a Calvinist alive today who believes that truth, even after Paul had spent the previous 4 chapters proving there was never a man born of woman, except Jesus Christ, that doeth good and sinneth not. If 5 pointers believed God they would believe that Jesus Christ died for all who sin because sinners are the only ones who will be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death and which is the penalty for sin, one single sin. One sin makes all practitioners of sin ungodly.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

That is my take on it.

 

Nah. Against Board rules to thing, "Proof of Salvation"
can be proven to another, or the call out, "being lost".

Contradiction, here,

"sinners are the only ones who will be cast into the lake of fire",
but NO SINNERS for Whom Christ Died.

Matthew 1:21c; "He will save His people from their sins.”

but anyway, no, the Definition of 5-points is the third,
in the TULIP acronym.
"Limited Atonement".

ca·ve·at
/ˈkavēˌat,ˈkävēˌät/

1. a warning or proviso of specific stipulations,
2. conditions, or limitations.

The Saved soul, ONLY, should concern themselves with, "TULIP".

Also, the Saved soul should begin with a thorough understanding
of the Bible's Revelation of Total Depravity, FIRST.

Total Depravity

Table of Contents:

Chapter 1 - Introduction

Chapter 2 - Origin

Chapter 3 - Imputation

Chapter 4 - Consequences

Chapter 5 - Transmission

Chapter 6 - Nature

Chapter 7 - Impact

Chapter 8 - Enormity

Chapter 9 - Extent

Chapter 10 - Ramifications

Chapter 11 - Evidence

Chapter 12 - Corollaries

Chapter 13 - Remedy

Chapter 14 - Summary

PARTICULAR ATONEMENT, or LIMITED ATONEMENT.

The third point is particular or "limited" atonement, perhaps the most misunderstood of the five. At issue here is the reason why the cross of Christ does not save everyone. Those who do not savingly believe in Christ will suffer eternal punishment and will never be reconciled to God.

Why does the cross not save all? Is it because God has limited power in the cross or because God has a limited purpose for the cross? Did God intend to save everyone through the cross and fail, or did He plan to save only a limited number through the cross and succeed? Our position is the latter. We believe that God had a limited design or purpose in the atonement and that the cross of Christ saves everyone God intended it to save.

We believe this because God never fails to carry out His plans. If God had intended the cross to save everyone, then everyone would be saved through it. What God has planned, that He will do (Isaiah 46:9-11; 55:11; Daniel 4:35; Ephesians 1:11).

We believe this because the Bible teaches that Jesus came to accomplish a real and saving salvation for His people. He did more for them than provide a mere possibility of salvation. See Matthew 1:21; 26:28; Acts 20:28; Ephesians 5:25-26; Titus 2:14; Hebrews 2:17; and Revelation 5:9.

We believe this because the Bible says that God will give everything, including saving faith, to those for whom He delivered up His Son to die (Romans 8:32). If we were reconciled to God at the cross, then we will be saved (Romans 5:10). Through His work on the cross, Christ provided for the deliverance of His people from the spirit of unbelief and purchased for them the gift of saving faith.

We believe this because the Bible teaches that the Good Shepherd laid down His life for His sheep (John 10:11) but nowhere teaches that the Good Shepherd in like manner laid down His life for those who are not His sheep (John 10:26). Christ's sheep are those whom the Father has given Him (John 10:29), and they manifest themselves through their faith and obedience; that is, they in faith recognize Jesus as the Messianic Good Shepherd and listen to His voice and in obedience follow Him (John 10:3-4, 27). Christ died for the sheep, and all the sheep will savingly believe. Christ died for those whom the Father gave Him, and all these will come to Christ and none of them will be lost (John 6:37,39). Those who are not Christ's sheep manifest themselves through their moral inability to believe (John 10:26).

We believe this because Christ as high priest prayed only for those whom the Father had given Him (John 17:9). If Christ had offered up His life as a priestly sacrifice for everybody, then why did He not also offer up His priestly prayer for everybody?

We believe this because it would not be just for God to require double payment for sin. If Christ died equally for the sins of all men, then those who go to hell will be paying for their sins themselves even though their sins have already been paid for once through the sufferings of Christ.

We believe this because the Bible speaks of individuals for whose sins there was never to be any atoning sacrifice (1 Samuel 3:14; Isaiah 22:14; Hebrews 10:26; cf. Jeremiah 18:23).

This doctrine does not deny that the cross has infinite saving potential.

It teaches that the cross could save everyone
if God had only intended it to do so.

This doctrine does not deny that there are common grace benefits
from the cross for every man.

In this sense, God through Christ is everyone's Savior (1 Timothy 4:10).

The doctrine of limited atonement is simply that
the cross of Christ provides a sure, secure and real salvation
for everyone God intended it to save and for them alone.

But, you ask, what about passages which mention the world and use the universal term all? These passages do not teach that God planned for the cross to save every sinner that ever lived. These passages no more refer to every individual without exception than Paul's statement that the gospel

"was preached to every creature under heaven"
(Colossians 1:23)

means that even the slugs and snails were evangelized. Passages with universal terms must be interpreted with careful consideration of both the immediate context and the clear teaching of other verses. For example, what did Paul mean in Romans 5:18 when he said that "the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life"?

He could not there be referring to all men without exception because the Bible clearly teaches that not all men will be saved.

Paul's context in Romans 5 indicates that by "all men," he was there referring to all men who are under the covenant headship of Christ.

The message of some other passages with universal terms is that Christ has saved the world in the sense that His people are now from every tribe, nation and tongue of the world and not from only one nation as under the old covenant.

Christ also will take away the sin of the world in the sense that He will totally remove sin and the curse from the world at His second coming.

All are Guilty and fall short,
Had GOD NOT PREDESTINED, by ELECTION,
ALL WOULD BE GOING TO HELL.

 

You cannot provide any evidence that you are one of the elect, even if God saves by election rather than by faith, which he doesn't. You would have us believe that you are saved because God liked you better than he liked someone else and yet you cannot make a scriptural case for your own personal election.

I am saved today because I heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believed it. I was not elected to be saved from eternity past and you weren't either. If you think you are, I refer you to the instructions of 2 Cor 13:5.

 

God saves by grace.
*Ephesians 2:4-5*
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

 

According to Calvinists, that's the best evidence you are elect. In fact, that and your conduct is the only evidence.

 

ca·ve·at
/ˈkavēˌat,ˈkävēˌät/

1. a warning or proviso of specific stipulations,
2. conditions, or limitations.

The Saved soul, ONLY, should concern themselves with, "TULIP".

Also, the Saved soul should begin with a thorough understanding
of the Bible's Revelation of Total Depravity, FIRST.