Steve.....I look daily for a straightforward Bible Believing Church every day (in my operating area) & like everything else it takes time for them to reveal themselves (their true character). The most dangerous ones are subtle, they don't come right out and reveal anti biblical behavior....indeed, some are actually proud of it & gloat over it. But if you study the Sermon on the Mount you should be prepared for them for they are "False Prophets." They are always there....always present, just waiting outside of the straight and narrow gate ready to pounce. That is their most favorite place to be. That is because they will persuade you not to enter in and not to walk on that path.... so there is always the danger of those subtle pretenders. My advice is to know your bibles (backwards & forwards)....that's the best discernment. That's the true Christians armor.
I JUST HAVE TO GO PRESBYTERIAN
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Earth Wind and Fire, Jul 19, 2016.
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As a side note, and for your own entertainment look up the OPC definition of baptism........Wow, just wow:Speechless -
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No cant say that I would. To make matters worse around West Kentucky, there is only PCUSA churches, a few notches below PCA. Hope things are going well in NJ if you are still there I am really glad Trump did not pick Krispy Kream Christie for VP. Maybe he will be Secretary of Transportation.
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Sprinkling infants is a RCC pagan ceremony that has no Biblical foundation and is totally meaningless. The infant understands the Gospel as my parrot does, not at all. Covering the sins of the infant by the virtue of the Christian parents is another fairy tale. If the mainstream Protestant denominations were going to bother to have a Reformation, why did they feel obligated to carry on some of the RCC nonsense.
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Yea, El Gordo took off even more time from New Jersey to go to Italy on vacation (probably still hunting for the perfect pizza pie) :rolleyes: -
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Protestants need to be protesting SOMETHING, Reformers need to be fixing something.
What saintly perfect lives were they living before they decided to fix anything?
Jesus Christ would say YOU don't understand the Gospel and need to be more like the infant.
Luke 18
15And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. 16But Jesus called for them, saying, “Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17“Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.”
" Covering the sins of the infant by the virtue of the Christian parents is another fairy tale."
1 Corinthians 7
14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.
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If a Catholic or Presbyterian sees, in good faith, Baptism as corresponding to Circumcision, then they sin not when they baptize infants. TAD, you error in thinking they're applying Believers Baptism to infants. They are not. And, really, how many children in Baptists churches making professions of faith aren't parroting, before their baptism?
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The church has dealt with heresies for centuries. Here is wiki list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_heresies
Your belief is similar to an old heresy called Donatism*.
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From the heresy wiki:
Donatists were rigorists, holding that the church must be a church of saints, not sinners, and that sacraments administered by traditores were invalid. They also regarded martyrdom as the supreme Christian virtue and regarded those that actively sought martyrdom as saints.
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Here is ST. Augustine debating with Donatists. Consider the Donatists better position, You are saying you left the church because they governed by people with no sincere faith, The Donatist are saying The Catholics left because they governed by people with no sincere faith.
Can you catch the difference?
If Jesus Christ shared the same attitude he would not have been Jewish. I think one of the points St. Augustine tried to make is through out the old testament God's chosen people are misbehaving.
Samuel's two sons for example held the highest govern authority and had no sincere faith. They were unjust and great sinners. This pushed the people towards fixing the problem themselves.....They wanted a King and God gave them Saul. This demand was a sin and Samuel knew it, Do you know why asking for a King was a sin? -
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These Presbyterians drove me nuts today with Infant Baptism,, covenantinilism, baptism is really New testament circumcision...blah, blah,blah. Holy Cow....just how unbiblical and how convoluted can they get?:(
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Brother I know deep in your heart God comes first.
Your intention is noble.
Legalism is of no concern with a person who does the command of God FOR FREE rather then weigh it like a gold digger who is always selfishly looking what is in it for them.
I'd do the command of God even if it would send me to hell.
Oh God commands this.........GEE will this give me salvation.....or 5 bucks?
Doing what God wills will never get you eternal life.
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On the other hand baby dedication is a harmful practice because it is Baptists trying to act like Presbyterians. Either practice infant baptism or don't. Don't try and straddle the fence.
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1. 66 books of the Bible.
2. Believer's Baptism
3. Saved by grace through Fatih
4. Trinity
5. Premillennial visible, literal second coming of Christ in the future
6. Literal virgin birth, death, burial, resurrection and bodily ascension of Christ
7 Literal creation week - and 7th day Bible Sabbath (in fact the Seventh-day Baptists played a key role in getting Adventists to become Seventh-day Adventist through bible studies)
8. Sola scriptura testing of all doctrine and tradition
http://seventhdaybaptist.org/about/statement-of-belief/
We may differ on these areas
1. We are the 5th largest Christian denomination according to a 2015 statement by Christianity Today.
2. We are Arminian - believing in free will - (Don't know if the SDB has a position on this as group)
3. We believe the 1 Thess 4 statement about "those who have fallen asleep" as Paul says.
4. We believe in the continuation of 1Cor 12 spiritual gifts - but are neither charismatic or pentecostal -
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