The insanity Rob is in even engaging ....but its a continuation that knows no ending......maybe we like to or maybe to prove ourselves superior, seriously dont know. All I know is that he knows my position & I know his....and there is very little debate beyond those parameters.
I thought I was saved, but....
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Amy.G, Aug 25, 2013.
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How did this turn into another Cal/Arm debate?
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It would also be unjust for God to make a man a sinner, and then punish that man for being the very thing God made him to be.
But that is not what Romans 9 is saying. It is not saying that God made Moses good, and that God made Pharaoh bad. Moses was good because he chose to believe in God and obey him, Pharaoh was bad because he chose to be bad and disobey. God never causes any man to sin, God does not even so much as tempt any man to sin.
Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
God does not tempt ANY man, but EVERY man is tempted when he is drawn away of his OWN lust and enticed.
But... once a man has chosen to sin as Pharaoh did, God is in no way unjust to make an example of him and destroy him before the world. This is what Paul is saying. He was "fitted" or deserving of destruction. Moses was obedient and so was fitted to honor.
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Calvinists love Romans 9 and the story of the potter, but they do not interpret it correctly. No potter in his right mind purposely makes defective pottery, he would not be in business very long doing that. The Jews that Paul was speaking to understood that.
But... if while forming a piece of pottery a defect is found in it, then a potter is not unjust to crush it, or form it into a lesser piece. This is what Paul is saying. The potter doesn't purposely put the defect there, but if he finds it, he may destroy the piece.
But no potter forms defective pottery on purpose. This goes right over the heads of Calvinists. -
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When it comes to salvation, God's choice trumps man's every time.
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your belief in this isrebuked by Paul, as he saw NONE right, all fallen! -
Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
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ONLY jesus EVER was righteous in that regard, as one without a sin nature, who also never had sinned! -
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I simply showed you 2 Peter 2:7 that said that Lot was a just man.
2 Pet 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
Lot was a righteous man because he was justified. He believed in the Lord and his sins were forgiven. This is what the scriptures mean by a righteous man. There were many men the scriptures called righteous.
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
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For you that don't believe in any kind of feeling at the moment of salvation, The peace that passeth all understanding, Phil 4:7 that Christ gives is a feeling is it not ? Or is there no peace in your soul ?
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Job was the other way around. He felt as if he had been abandoned by God. Feelings aren't always the best indicator of being right with God.
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So it all comes down to some people that leaves feelings out are either told they have been saved or read they have been saved because they believe, but their belief is based on what they think is right based on what they have heard. So my question is, can you be sure what you were told was the truth ? You really have no assurance that it is unless God gives the assurance.
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renew our minds by the Bible, and get Gods views on this topic!
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