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If a person is on an Island, and all they find is John 3:16, will believing that save them?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Guido, Aug 13, 2022.

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  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    Actually all will be judged by their deeds but those that are found in Him through faith will have had their sins forgiven.
    You keep misreading Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,. You keep leaving out those critical words "in Him".
    If you do not trust in the Lord you are not in Him are you. So because you were not born at that time you were not in Him so as to be one of the elect. The elect of God are those that trust in God, those from the OT times or NT times. All must trust in God for salvation. You, of course, will deny this as per normal you are reading into the text what you need to be there to support your theology.
    For someone that trumpets the sovereignty of God you sure so do not allow Him to be sovereign do you.
     
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    It blows my mind the damage that an errant philosophy has done to Christianity. If Augustine had trusted the bible rather than his Gnostic philosophy we would not be having these disagreements. But Paul did warn us that different gospels would come alone and that we should avoid them.
     
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    Yes, it does. What reward do you want besides Christ? Is Christ not enough for you? Is God the Father not enough for you? Is the Holy Spirit not enough for you? What else do you want? A bigger mansion? A place closer to the throne of God?

    I am quite content with the reward God promised Abraham:

    "Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward." - Genesis 15:1
     
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    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of false gospels, your "gospel", which is no good news at all, conditioned on the sinner is certainly a false gospel.

    Galatians 1:6-7 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
     
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    As I have said before you do not really trust God unless He holds to your errant Calvinist theology.
    Those that know of Christ Jesus and reject Him will be judged accordingly, those that do not know of Christ Jesus will be judged by the light they have. But why would I expect you or for that matter any Calvinist to understand that as you really do not seem to understand the bible unless read through those special glasses you have.
     
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    There is no judgment outside of Christ. That is such a false teaching. Away with such absolute falsehood!

    Acts 17:31 because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (emphasis mine)

    The only way to be saved in based on the righteousness of Christ. The only way to have the righteousness of Christ is by His perfect righteousness being imputed to the sinner. There simply is no other way.

    Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
     
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    Which was adding old covenant Law to the gospel.
     
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    You don't seem to want God to be allowed to be God. If He says He will judge them by their deeds do you think He got it wrong? Man can know their is a creator and he will be held accountable for how he responds? What about morality, man has a conscience and he knows right from wrong, that is why we are told that most will sear their conscience. God is just would you not agree, so I will trust Him to be just in how He deals with those that do not know of Christ. Just as He is just in how He deals with those that have heard of Christ.
     
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    Then you really do not know God. You want Him to only operate under your Calvinist system. I keep telling you to trust the bible and you keep throwing random verses taken out context back. When will you realize that God is much bigger than your philosophy. And he is surely more loving.

    Have I said the Christ is not the judge, NO.
    Curious, how do you deal with all those OT saints and what about those that trusted in Christ prior to His resurrection are they not saved?

    Act 17:30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent. How can someone repent if they do not even know that they need to repent or what to repent of. Was God being disingenuous? Did He command this knowing full well that it would not happen since they would not even know they were supposed to do so?
     
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    Egad, why are you twisting this to make it look like I want to be judged in order to receive rewards? I thought better of you.
     
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    In no way has anything you've posted refuted the fact that the elect are going to be judged by their works.
     
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    Interesting commentary don’t you think!
     
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    I'm sorry. I guess I don't understand what point you are making. I'm gonna chalk it up to my old age.

    [​IMG]
     
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    They are saved the same way anyone has or ever will be saved - by their sins having been imputed to Christ and Christ's perfect righteousness being imputed to them. Look at David, the heroes of faith, Moses - all OT saints that saw and looked to the promises of redemption in Christ, not through their works, not through their faith - redemption in Christ.

    Romans 4:6-8 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, saying,

    Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
    And whose sins are covered.
    Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

    Hebrews 11:24-26 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt

    (emphasis mine)
     
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    Did you not notice the words "by faith"? Not faith given to them as you require.
     
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    Faith Given to them, as God Requires.
     
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    Want to see where Abraham Was Given Faith
    in The DEATH, BURIAL, and RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ?

    17 "By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:
    and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

    18 "Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

    19 "Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead;
    from whence also he received him in a figure."

    And what was this, "figure"?

    Matthew 20:19 "And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock,
    and to scourge,
    and to crucify him:
    and the third day he shall rise again".


    Romans 1:1 "What shall we say then that Abraham our father,
    as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

    2 "For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.


    3 "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God,
    and it was counted unto him for righteousness."

    Abraham Was Given Faith
    in The DEATH, BURIAL, and RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ

    "and it"...

    WHAT IS, "IT?"

    Abraham Was Given Faith
    in The DEATH, BURIAL, and RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ

    19 "Accounting that God was able to raise him up,
    even from the dead;
    from whence also he received him in a figure."

    And what was this, "figure", again?


    Matthew 20:19 "And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock,
    and to scourge, and to crucify him:
    and the third day he shall rise again."


    And ABRAHAM'S FAITH IN JESUS'
    DEATH, BURIAL, and RESURRECTION

    "was counted unto him for righteousness".




     
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    This looks like, "works for 'salvation", to me.

     
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    example?
     
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