What if Adam were still alive today, and had not sinned:
- Would all creation be free from ever falling because he 'passed the test' in the Garden?
- Would he still have the capacity to sin at any given time, up until even now?
- Would those whom he fathered, and all who come from him have the capacity and susceptibility to sin?
- Would all creation stand in jeopardy, even until this point in history, if they did sin, with 'a fall' ensuing?
If Adam Hadn't Sinned...
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Internet Theologian, Apr 23, 2016.
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The Devil and his wicked angels would still be running loose. As a matter of fact, the Devil's angels would have polluted the entire human genome, and almost did succeed prior to the Flood (Gen 6). So, either way, the human race was doomed.
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SovereignGrace Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Many do not believe this biblical truth and cast out original sin because they believe it to be catholic, and not because they've rightly handled the Word, 2 Timothy 2:15, and have seen this clear truth represented in Scripture, note 1 Corinthians 15:22.
If it happened the other way(s) around as suggested in the OP, the notions that we become responsible, guilty and condemned for sin only after we sin would be supportable to some extent, yet God didn't decree any of those absurdities. The fact that Adam, via God, represented all mankind, all are sinful, guilty, responsible due to his fall. Any other scenario would be anarchical chaotic nonsense. God created order even in this decreed plan of His. -
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Adam would have been alive about 500 years before the Genesis 6 "Sons of God" cohabited/copulated with the "daughters of Adam" and lived about another 500 years, witnessing all the destruction that they unleashed prior to the Great Flood, where only 8 souls were saved. However, there are some who do not believe in a literal "Satan" and see the "snake" as just a "snake" (Jews for example).
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I am not following on the latter though. I don't think procreation to have been forbidden and sinful. God did command them to be fruitful and multiply, Genesis 1:28. It appears he, Adam didn't 'know' his wife until after the fall though, Genesis 4:1. -
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When the bible says they were naked "they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed" it just says they were not ashamed. Prior to the fall the naked body was not shameful.
And don't forget the command of God prior to the fall, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." -
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I am not Fonzi..."I was wrrrr....I was wroooo...I was wrrrrrr..." :D -
If Adam had never sinned, he and Eve would still be alone. I think we agree. Yet, I believe the notion of Original Sin is very near heresy.
You assume the two go hand in hand, but they don't.
A proper understanding of the dichotomy of man is the difference. Our physical bodies are procreated, but our spirit comes from God.
Guilt is not associated with the body, or else Jesus would have been guilty - seeing He is a physical descendant of Adam -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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1) you believe a doctrine beforehand and press it onto scripture
2) you seem to be unaware of any distinction between spirit and body
3) you seem to be unwilling to consider the ramifications of Original Sin as it relates to Christ -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
How about you deal with the Scriptures I quoted? What is this distinction between spirit and body of which I am unaware? -
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It's quite apparent that God had Adam as our head, and that in him all are dead. The theory that we only become guilty and sinful at the moment we individually sin is a grievous error held by many. No, no! We are all guilty in Adam, at birth. Note Psalms 51:5, Ephesians 2:3. That opportunity did never exist and was not in the decretive will of God.
Look at it this way: What if Adam & Eve had already procreated prior to the fall? What effect would the fall have had on those others? The same? Sinful nature? I think not. Of course they procreated after the fall, and through the seed of Adam all are also guilty as was he, 1 Corinthians 15:22
God knew all this beforehand, and all the world is guilty before God, Romans 3:19. Original sin is biblical, and is scandalous to many.
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