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Images said to be Christ;Sacred or Sacrelege?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by T Alan, Dec 16, 2014.
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I await your results.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite SupporterT Alan said: ↑I wonder, if you will, do you have knowledge if the Natives on the reservation where you live, that are "Believers" have any Images of "Jesus" if so, do they "look like Native Americans" or would it be the " blonde hair, blue eyed" guy?Click to expand...
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JonC said: ↑I'll let this one pass without a more defensive comment.Click to expand...
T Alan said: ↑What else would they mean to depict. What image is seared into the mind of the children from "Childrens Church" onward? Here's you a test, take a picture of the Long blonde hair, blue eyed, bearded man (Cesare Borgia) and conduct a poll of kids and adults with the simply question "Who is this"?
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T Alan said: ↑No, and I would say that nor does the majority of the children that are fed this crap.Click to expand... -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite SupporterT Alan said: ↑Is there a common opinion held by Baptist regarding the images that are depicting and image of "Christ"? Sacred or Sacrilege?Click to expand...
The Second Commandment forbids to make any LIKENESS especially of God and Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
Idolatry begins IN THE MIND with a wrong MENTAL IMAGE of God. The Scriptures are the revelation of God and that revelation makes it impossible to make any kind of visible image (graven, printed, painted, etc.) without distorting and perverting the revelation of God in Scriptures.
Jesus Christ is revealed in Scriptures as an uncommonly ugly man:
he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. - Isa. 53
The images of Jesus pervert this Biblical revelation of him. He is God in the flesh. The second command forbids making LIKENESSES of anything in heaven and Jesus is in heaven, or on earth, and Jesus was on earth. For anyone to deny these images of Christ are not RELIGIOUS images is like denying the Bible is a RELIGOUS book.
The Scriptures are given to provide the mind with the proper MENTAL image of God which is one of INVISIBLE ATTRIBUTES (holy, righteous, omniscient, omnipresent, etc.), which is IMPOSSIBLE to convey that image in material form.
Baptists who hang this so-called likeness, image, of God the Son in their churches are as idolatrous as the Roman Catholic church with their paintings hanging on the twelve stations of the Cross and their images. -
T Alan said: ↑I assume by "think this way" that you refer to those that think the pictures at the beginning of this post are indeed Jesus? I don't find it hard to believe that people who were raised in Churches and homes that had have these images to "believe" that's Jesus Christ, I mean why would the Church have a picture of "Ralph" on the walls? It would take a degree of study to realize that "there were no pictures or painting of Jesus" prior to several hundred years after the fact .That same facial image is as TOM said "in the Sunday School literature" et cetera.Click to expand...
This is difficult for me to comprehend. "Knowing" thousands from different faith backgrounds. Wow. I know less than 50 personally that aren't main line evangelicals.Click to expand... -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite SupporterZenas said: ↑It's hard to imagine there are people who actually think this way. I know thousands of people from dozens of different faith backgrounds and I must say that I have never heard your views expressed before by anyone.Click to expand...
Christianity is so CAHTHOLICZED they no longer understand the meaning of "IMAGE" or "likeness".
What is it that you don't understand of "ANYTHING" in heaven or in earth???? This is just plain scripture forbidding artists, whether they are scuplture artists, painting artists, carving artists from doing this very thing. Who do you think makes images if not such artists with their PROFANE conceptions of God and Jesus is God. -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite SupporterJonC said: ↑:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:Click to expand...
Whether you are a scuplture artist or a painting artist or a carving artists, as these are the kind of artists who are responsible for making such images and it is forbidden.
What is it that you don't understand about the word "ANYTHING" in heaven or on earth? What is it you don't understand about the meaning of "image" or "likeness"?
Who gave you the right to throw out these texts, change their meanings just to suit your own fancy? Both you and the Rev. are completely and utterly mistaken. -
The Biblicist said: ↑I guess this is the opinion of those who can't understand "image" or "likeness" or "painting" and throw out the Ten commandments!
Whether you are a scuplture artist or a painting artist or a carving artists, as these are the kind of artists who are responsible for making such images and it is forbidden.
What is it that you don't understand about the word "ANYTHING" in heaven or on earth? What is it you don't understand about the meaning of "image" or "likeness"?
Who gave you the right to throw out these texts, change their meanings just to suit your own fancy? Both you and the Rev. are completely and utterly mistaken.Click to expand...
That's my take away, as the literal reading of the scripture states no image of anything in Heaven, in Earth, or in Water. Therefore, all artwork is forbidden.
Now, if we could just find a way around that pesky bit of scripture where God commanded them to make ornamental pomegranates for the temple, and to put the image of cherubims on the Ark of the Covenant... (and yes, please understand there is a strong undercurrent of facetiousness in this post from me) :smilewinkgrin: -
The Biblicist said: ↑I guess this is the opinion of those who can't understand "image" or "likeness" or "painting" and throw out the Ten commandments!Click to expand...
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite SupporterJonC said: ↑therefore it is the act of idolatry rather than possessing an image of something in heaven and earth that is being addressed.Click to expand...
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PreachTony said: ↑As I wrote earlier:
I recall reading somewhere that average height for first century male Jews was somewhere around 5-foot-8 or so. The image we see of Jesus in paintings is the culmination of a long history of church-driven artwork and, frankly, iconography, depicting Jesus as looking similar to those in power at the time so as to solidify their claim. If the Crusaders had used artwork depicting Jesus as looking rather similar to the same people they were on their way to kill, then the Crusades would've suffered. :smilewinkgrin:Click to expand...
When I posted my remarks I thought I was posting early and did not read beyond the first page! -
The Biblicist said: ↑You need to get out more! What don't you understand about the word "likeness" OR "image"?????? The Scriptures also classify Paintings in this same category of expressing an IMAGE or LIKENESS.
Christianity is so CAHTHOLICZED they no longer understand the meaning of "IMAGE" or "likeness".
What is it that you don't understand of "ANYTHING" in heaven or in earth???? This is just plain scripture forbidding artists, whether they are scuplture artists, painting artists, carving artists from doing this very thing. Who do you think makes images if not such artists with their PROFANE conceptions of God and Jesus is God.Click to expand...
It’s context, Biblicist, CONTEXT. :smilewinkgrin: -
Revmitchell said: ↑Let me assure you, you do not know where I am at or what knowledge I have about any Natives. Or even if I should.Click to expand...
The Biblicist said: ↑Yes, these are all idolatrous images that no Christian or church should have in their possession.
The Second Commandment forbids to make any LIKENESS especially of God and Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
Idolatry begins IN THE MIND with a wrong MENTAL IMAGE of God. The Scriptures are the revelation of God and that revelation makes it impossible to make any kind of visible image (graven, printed, painted, etc.) without distorting and perverting the revelation of God in Scriptures.
Jesus Christ is revealed in Scriptures as an uncommonly ugly man:
he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. - Isa. 53
The images of Jesus pervert this Biblical revelation of him. He is God in the flesh. The second command forbids making LIKENESSES of anything in heaven and Jesus is in heaven, or on earth, and Jesus was on earth. For anyone to deny these images of Christ are not RELIGIOUS images is like denying the Bible is a RELIGOUS book.
The Scriptures are given to provide the mind with the proper MENTAL image of God which is one of INVISIBLE ATTRIBUTES (holy, righteous, omniscient, omnipresent, etc.), which is IMPOSSIBLE to convey that image in material form.
Baptists who hang this so-called likeness, image, of God the Son in their churches are as idolatrous as the Roman Catholic church with their paintings hanging on the twelve stations of the Cross and their images.Click to expand...
Zenas said: ↑No, you assumed wrong. I was referring to you and the way you think. Everybody (well almost everybody) knows that these images of Jesus are artists' concepts of what Jesus looked like.Click to expand...
Zenas said: ↑It's not something remarkable at all. They are common and very diverse, although the blue eyed long haired Jesus preponderates in our culture. Go to Mexico and you will observe a Latino looking Jesus. In Africa you will see images of a Negroid Jesus.
You don't get out much, do you?Click to expand...
So people (around the world) are trying to make God into their image. Where have I heard this before. -
T Alan said: ↑I have google, remember, and you are in the "public Eye" Pastor.Click to expand...
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Gib said: ↑Rev may have a stalker :rolleyes:Click to expand...
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Since this "is not Jesus" Just some guy, do you consider "IT" blasphemy? If so how can it be since it's NOT Jesus.
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I say yes, because of the "pierced hands", regardless of the person. Sacrilegious. -
We also have the serpent of brass which it would seem that God directed Moses to make in the wilderness (which he did) which had to be gazed upon in order to live after being bitten by said serpent.
Another image allowed by God.
And OBTW, the money (paper or metal) you have in your wallet or purse has a mixed message for the Christian.
It says "IN GOD WE TRUST" yet has the all seeing eye of ISIS/HORUS along with several other verbotten images all over the front and back.
The Hebrew shekel historically had no image.
So anyone who has twinges of guilt concerning the breaking of the commandment contact me by email I'll send you my snail mail address and you can send me your Pagan, idolatrous currency, I will dispose of it for you.
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I say this isn't. No affiliation with any thing Scriptural. Thoughts?
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite SupporterHankD said: ↑We also have the serpent of brass which it would seem that God directed Moses to make in the wilderness (which he did) which had to be gazed upon in order to live after being bitten by said serpent.Click to expand...
First, the brazen serpent was not an image of God and it was ordained by God but who gave anyone authority to produce an image of the Son of God????? God certainly did not!
Second it was ordained by God for a specified reason and not as an object of worship.
Third, Hank what do you think was the reason given in the Bible for destroying the brazen serpent???????
HankD said: ↑And OBTW, the money (paper or metal) you have in your wallet or purse has a mixed message for the Christian.
It says "IN GOD WE TRUST" yet has the all seeing eye of ISIS/HORUS along with several other verbotten images all over the front and back.Click to expand...
The paper money is not issued for worship but for finances. Second, we have no control over what goes on government money but we certainly have control over what we hang in PLACES OF WORSHIP and in OUR HOMES that we know is an image of God.
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