Featured In Denunciation of Denials of the Future Bodily Resurrection of the Dead

It happens at physical death. The souls leaves the tent of this corruptible flesh for the permanent physical incorruptible body. It is the body that is physical here or there. The spirit is spiritual, not the body. The body is permanent and incorruptible.

Physical death is the future for all of Adam's sinful flesh. Those in sheol are never promised a resurrection body. The dead stand before the GWT and then cast into the Lake of Fire. The church was resurrected at the Cross. Every time a soul leaves this body, it receives the resurrection incorruptible body immediately. We have bodies when present with the Lord Jesus Christ in His incorruptible permanent physical body.

 

The future is over, full stop when corruptible flesh dies. The living do not prevent the dead, period from that realization. In 2 Corinthians 5, Paul says absent from one body is to present in a permanent body. Those in Paradise do not wait for any more dead to be resurrected. The final resurrection of dead flesh is at the Second Coming, ie all those walking around on earth in dead flesh.

 

Well if you happen to transfer your soul, before the Second Coming, you will appreciate your new incorruptible body, instead of waiting without a body.

Those alive on earth in dead bodies will not hinder nor stop the exchange.

 

Because Paul was writing before he left for Paradise. He did not write post physical death. His future physical death was not realized.

 

Do you realize that you totally negate any need or purpose for the resurrection, out of the dead?

Why would the Holy Spirit have inspired Paul to write Phil 3:11,12 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Per Paul it is his and Israel's great hope and promise from God. Acts 26:6-8 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers: Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews. Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?

 

Those alive in dead bodies will not precede those dead in dead bodies and neither have those dead in dead bodies preceded those alive in dead bodies.

They will precede, together, at the same moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump.

BTW where are those Thessalonians preceding, to? Going to after they meet the Lord in the air? What was the question those Thessalonians had concerning Larry, Curly and Mo their Christian friends who had died, in Christ?

What had Paul preached at Thessalonica?

Acts 17:7 YLT whom Jason hath received; and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying another to be king -- Jesus.'

Looks like to me he preached Jesus as a king. King of what, I wonder? Well let's not wonder forever.

Acts 20:25 KJV And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

Gee, Jesus as King of the kingdom of God.

I wonder if those Thessalonians wrote and asked Paul how and when were Larry, Curly and Mo were going to be in the kingdom of God?

1 Thes 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

How? Even so............
When? Verse's 15-17 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

It's not rocket science.

 

The point was it was not true, until he died. The future point is physical death. Not some long term operation at the Second Coming. At the Second Coming, the physical dead are still walking around on earth. They are the ones in need of a resurrection.

The resurrection is going from this dead corruptible body to a permanent incorruptible body in Paradise. That is what happened to the thief that day on the cross. Jesus promised him a resurrection on that last day which was the day of resurrection for all those who by faith in the OT were also part of the church and the physical resurrection to an incorruptible body.

No living person ever, not even in the first century could prevent such a resurrection.

 

Your Bible should say:

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

Or does yours say:

"For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, eventually at the Second Coming, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

It is not I changing God's Word.

Does your Bible say:

"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be eventually at the Second Coming, with the Lord."

Or:

"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

We get an incorruptible permanent body immediately after the soul leaves this body.

 

Paul also declares that at physical death resurrection is realized. It was only future until Paul physically died. Paul has not been agonizing and yearning for the resurrection for 1900+ years. No physical person on earth in a corruptible body prevented his resurrection, not even with their theology. That is the blessed hope that has been realized for the majority of the church.

 

A garment is not a body. This garment is the final "transformation". The spirit wrapped around the incorruptible body. This is glorification. This is putting on the light image of God. God is Light. "Ye are the light of the world", because the Holy Spirit shines bright in us. However once more restored to the image of God we will shine as the stars. Two births, two deaths, but one resurrection. The spirit is never resurrected, if the spirit dies. All firsts deal with the physical and body. All seconds deal with the spirit and the robe of white. The second birth is allowing the Holy Spirit to work in us. The second death is being cast into the lake of fire as in one's spirit is totally dead.

John in the 5th Seal is looking at the church about to be glorified immediately prior to the 6th Seal, the Second Coming. The 6th Seal is when the dead corruptible flesh of those in Christ walking around on earth, is resurrected to meet the Lord and the church in Paradise as one glorified body. It is a painless and smooth resurrection like the translation Enoch had walking with God, and was not found.

The church is then presented to God as complete. Revelation 7, in the very next chapter, shows the church in the temple of God, Paradise, day and night serving God. That is where we will be until the temple comes down as the New Jerusalem in the NHNE. Paradise was created for Adam's family. Adam was the one son of God called out, just like the church was called out. Adam had no choice, but all his descendants can choose to live forever in Paradise. Many have rejected the invitation to do so. They have listened to their own desires and Satan. Paradise was that city in Hebrews 11 promised us as our eternal home. Only those with incorruptible bodies can enter. It is a physical place and souls have to have a physical body. It is only spiritual in the sense we are blind to all that is spiritual around us. This dead corruptible body cannot see, nor sense anything about the spiritual side of creation, unless led by the Holy Spirit. That is why this current body needs to be resurrected if we are alive at the Second Coming. Paul called it a change. Most of the church has died and changed, as in resurrected. They are in Paradise right now, not in sheol or Abraham's bosom. That was emptied at the Cross, and they had to have incorruptible bodies to enter Paradise. On the Cross Christ promised Paradise was open and available, because Jesus declared, "It is finished." Jesus did not say, "death was starting, and you all have to wait until the Second Coming to be resurrected." Death ended that day, the last day resurrection was complete. All the OT church who heard those words, of Jesus came out of the graves in their incorruptible resurrection permanent bodies. Never to die again. Death was finished for them. Now the church waits in Paradise for glorification, the robe of white, a garment to put on over the incorruptible body. We have to change bodies. We do not put on a body over a body. No one is collecting their old bodies to change, because they would not be allowed to enter Paradise yet. Jesus told the thief that day, not 1991 years later.

 

Why?

Describe a ghost to me, and then describe what it's body can do. (appear and disappear, pass through solid objects)
... If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, why is it "not fair to ever call it a duck"?

In our carnal reality we are comfortable thinking of the spiritual as less "real" than the physical.
I merely ask if it is possible that the spiritual is more "real" than than the perishable flesh that now entraps us?

[At least your topic seems to be back on track, which is all I hoped to assist with.]

 

Yes, we shall have the same kind of body He has, so will be physical in some aspect still, as he could eat with them!