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Is God Insincere With The Gospel Offer?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Feb 28, 2021.

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    “And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature” (Mark 16:15)

    The phrase, “παση τη κτισει”, means, “to every creature”. The use of the singular, “παση” is important, as it means that the Gospel Message is not simply a “general” one, but to “every” human being!. This is exactly what the Apostle Paul says in Colossians 1:23, “if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the Gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister”

    There are some who will argue from their theology, that all this means, is, that inatially the Gospel Messsage was intended for the Jews only, and thereafter to the Gentiles also. However, while this is true, this does not mean that there is any “limitation” on who the Gospel was to be preached to. The entire world consists of just two groups, Jews and Gentiles. If you were the one, then you were not the other. But, this is the sum-total of the entire human race, and not the “majority”, or any other distinction.

    What is The Gospel Message that we are to proclaim to the entire human race? Paul tells us this in 1 Corinthians 15:

    “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the Gospel which I preached to you... For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures” (1, 3, 4)

    Here it is very clear, that the Gospel Message that we are to proclaim to the entire world, is, “Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures”

    The Gospel Message is a universal one, to be proclamied to not just some select groups, but to the entire human race, as the Bible clearly tells us. It is important to not what this Message consists of Biblically. “that Christ died for our sins”. It is clear from this, that the OUR must include the entire human race that this Gospel Message is to be proclaimed to. There is nothing here to suggest that it is only for the “elect”! Paul says in verse 11, “Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed”. That this Message had to be “believed” in, “by which you are also saved” (verse 2). In Acts chapter 13 we read of Paul’s preaching the Gospel to some Jews, “Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles” (v.46). These Jews “rejected” this Gospel Message, and “considered themselves unworthy of eternal life”, not what God “considered”. Here we have the two groups, the Jews, and the Gentiles (non Jews), who are the entire human race.

    It is the One Gospel Message of Salvation from sins in the Lord Jesus Christ, that is to be proclaimed to the entire human race. There is no indication that this Message is to be proclaimed to any “select” few, as some falsly teach. This Gospel, Good News, is only that of Salvation, and not of damnation, which is not really “Good News” for anyone. If, as some suppose, that the Gospel of Salvation is intended for the “elect” only, then why does the Lord Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, and others, use universal language, which is clearly for the entire human race? Paul is very clear of this in Romans 11:32, “For God has shut up all in disobedience, so that He may show mercy to all”. God has “concluded” that the entire human race (τους παντας) is guilty of “disobedience”, the very sin that Adam and Eve were guilty of. Again, contextually we read of the Jews and Gentiles, which, as we know, are the sum-total of the human race. There is no exception. Paul then goes on to say, “that He may show mercy to all”. Notice that the Greek here is identical to the first part, “τους παντας”. This does not teach universal salvation, which is very clear from Paul’s use of “ελεηση”, which is in the subjunctive mood, “MIGHT (not WILL) show mercy”. The sinner must “repent and believe in the Gospel” (Mark 1:15), before they can be saved, as these are the two “conditions” that God has placed for any sinners salvation.

    If the Gospel Message is universal, as the Bible clearly teaches, then, it must mean that the Daeth of Jesus Christ is also universal, as Paul has told us what this Gospel is, “that Christ died for our sins”, which is clearly universal! To suggest otherwise, is to say that God is insincere, when He commands “that the Christ would suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations (παντα τα εθνη), beginning from Jerusalem” (Luke 24:46-47). Both the Jews and the Gentiles, the entire human race!

    “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him” (John 3:36)
     
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    Amen! I believe, as all Calvinists do, that the Gospel is to be preached to all, so far as it is in our power; all are to be urged to repent and turn to Christ; and everyone who does so will be saved.
     
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    what is your response, if you have one?
     
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    are you a Calvinist? What you have written requires that all sinners must possess a "free will", to "repent and turn to Christ".
     
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    This is a lie:

    It is important to know that Satan is a liar.

    Satan's lies should not be repeated.
     
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    I agree with the conclusion that if God calls to believe those to whom He did not give this faith by His own will, in the sense in which the Calvinists teach, then He somehow looks sly.
    How can you demand something that you know in advance that it is not there, because you yourself did not give it?
     
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    The Bible is not lies!!!
     
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    Repentance and Belief/Faith are Gifts Given by God and to speak of them as 'conditions, as if they are originated from a lost soul is a Satanic lie.

    It is important to know that Satan is a liar.

    Satan's lies should not be repeated.
     
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    This simple-minded assumption is a lie.

    "our sins" are those Paul is speaking to, those Saved, i.e., The Elect of God.

    It is important to know that Satan is a liar.

    Satan's lies should not be repeated.
     
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    As we see from the Scriptures, the unregenerate is able to believe, but his faith needs God's help, just as our faith also needs Him.
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    24 Immediately the boy's father cried out with tears, " I believe, Lord." help my unbelief.
    (Mar. 9: 24)
     
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    This is blasphemy.

    Who are your 'teachers', so we can speak to them?

    It is important to know that Satan is a liar.

    Satan's lies should not be repeated.

    Your teachers did not reconcile 'proclaimed..to all"
    with "he who believes not".

    "...repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations"

    “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life;
    and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life,
    but the wrath of God abides on him
    ” (John 3:36)[
     
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    Your argument is with the Holy Spirit Who is the Author of the Bible
     
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    Nope, Satan is a liar.

    Faith is the Gift of God.

    Lost sinners are dead, to God, Spiritually.

    The Garden of Eden is gone.

    Nothing has recreated a Garden of Eden scenario, where the sinner is made sinless and placed on Probation, to believe, choose, or decide, which Tree of The Garden of Eden they want to choose.

    The word of God must be Made Effective as an Instrument of God to Bring the lost sinner to Conviction of their sins and, then, be Granted The Twin Doctrines of Repentance and Faith, by God, or they will forever be lost in unbelief.

    The religious person who thinks they have a soul that is "well with God", who "came to religion", by repeating a prayer after a deceiver can not decern the Things of God and only "believe" the Satanic lie that "salvation" may be obtained by a mental acknowledgment of the flesh that they call "believing".
     
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    Who are your blasphemous teachers?

    They taught you error.

    (Simple-mindedly and ignorantly) Assuming "our sins" indicates every human being?

    That's how you have chosen to be Bigger than God, to call Him insincere?

    Is it you that blasphemous, or your teachers?

    It is not the Holy Spirit Who is the Author of the Bible.
     
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    Alan, I think that your theology is making you mad! :eek:
     
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    Your if/then reasoning is false I as is your conclusion.
    The verses you use as prooftext for your conclusion are based on your pretext, taken out of context.
    This is now at least the 20th thread where you push your conclusion, to which only man-centered free will philosophers applaud. God-centered believers find your thinking faulty and ignorant of God's full Sovereignty and gracious favor.

    God sends His message out universally. His message is received by those he has given to Jesus. (Read John 6, 10 and 17).

    If God had chosen all humans, universally, Jesus death would universally pay for all humans sins. They would be universally made righteous and perfect by Jesus sacrifice. However, it is very clear that God has not chosen everyone, therefore Jesus did not pay for everyone's sins.

    Ultimately, the game that sbw is playing is..."How Can I Blame God, Yet Make It Look Like I Am Blaming Other Men." This is his MO throughout all his threads. The end of his argument is that He hates God's method of salvation and wants to replace it with his man-centered method. He snatches sentences from the Bible (We all know a spirit that does the same thing) and works to twist them in order to persuade anyone who is ignorant of the whole of God's word.
    I am grateful to God that His sheep will hear God's word and ignore sbw's word, which is a false assertion coming from a philosophical pretext, not from God.
     
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    Some on here are posting false theology which is against the Bible
     
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    Romans 6:16, ". . . Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? . . ."
    Romans 10:16, ". . . But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?. . ."
     
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    Here we see that God has predestined to salvation those whom He foresaw that they would be saved. That is, He knew it beforehand...
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    28 Moreover, we know that to those who love God, who are called according to His will, all things work together for good.
    29 For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be like the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
    30 But those whom He predestined, he called, and those whom He called, He justified; and those whom he justified, he glorified.
    31 What can I say to this? If God is for us, who is against us?
    (Rom. 8: 28-31)
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    But here we see that the Lord God does not judge by foreknowledge or predestination, but by specific sins and misdeeds.
    That is, God can judge against His own prediction and intention about a person
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    11 Say to them, "As I live," says the Lord God, " I do not want the death of a sinner, but that the sinner should turn from his way and live." Turn, turn from your evil ways; why should you die, O House of Israel?
    12 And you, son of man, speak to the children of thy people: the righteousness of the righteous will not deliver on the day of his crimes, and the wicked for their iniquity shall not fall thereby in the day from his wickedness, and the righteous on the day of his transgression can't stay alive for their righteousness.
    13 When I tell the righteous man that he will live, and he trusts in his own righteousness and does unrighteousness, then all his righteous deeds will not be remembered, and he will die of his unrighteousness, which he has done.
    14 But when I say to the wrongdoer, 'You will die by death,' and he will turn from his sins and do justice and righteousness,
    15 If this wrongdoer returns the pledge, pays for what he has stolen, and walks according to the laws of life, doing nothing evil, he will live, he will not die.
    16 None of his sins that he has committed will be remembered to him; he has begun to do justice and righteousness, and he will live.
    17 But the children of your people say, 'The way of the LORD is wrong,' while their way is wrong.
    18 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and begins to commit iniquity, he will die for it.
    19 And when the wicked man has turned from his iniquity, and has begun to do justice and righteousness, he will live for it.
    20 But you say, ' The way of the Lord is wrong!' I will judge you, House of Israel, every one according to his ways.
    (Ezek.33:11-20)
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    What, then, is the outcome of all this? The result is that God has chosen all of us to be saved, but not all of us leave our sins, and therefore many go to perdition, since those who have sinned have a place there by their own actions.
     
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