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Is it idolatry?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Walpole, Sep 17, 2019.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Best wishes to you. -
Help me understand the difference. -
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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St. Paul said, "We have a cup that we bless; is not this cup we bless a participatio (koinōnia) n in Christ's blood? Is not the bread we break a participation in Christ's body?" (1 Cor 10:16)
koinōnia = Fellowship, association, communion, intercourse, intimacy
Source --> Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
Wouldn't trying to have fellowship, association, communion, intercourse and intimacy with a symbol such as bread and wine / juice be the height of idolatry?
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
In the other instance the pastor (human) is suggesting we may do something if we like. -
The examples I come up with are all condemnations of man making things said to symbolize / represent God. The golden calf quickly comes to mind. -
Scripture never says that. Scripture tells us to observe the Supper in rememberence - NOT as a symbol OF God but in rememberence of what He has done. -
Idolotry is worshipping some amd ma
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Some people get there because of the words Jesus spoke when instituting the Supper.
"And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, 'This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.' And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.'" (Luke 22:19-22)
Either the bread and wine are the literal body and blood of Christ, or they are mere symbols.
As for the remembrance, it's interesting to note if you are doing this to remember what He had done (namely the Cross), He had not yet done it when He instituted the Supper. Hence you would be remembering / commemorating that which did not occur until the following day. In other words, what exactly are you remembering, as nothing was offered so as to be commemorated until the following day on Good Friday.
It would appear Christ either instituted an empty ritual complete with things said to represent / symbolize God, or there is something deeper going on. That's what I'm trying to understand. -
I don't believe other views are necessarily idolatry.It just seemed appropriate that I leave the views of others for those who hold them. -
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It would appear Christ either instituted an empty ritual complete with things said to represent / symbolize God at future events, or there is something deeper going on.
That's what I'm trying to understand. -
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Rev. 5:12 saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”
13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:“Blessing and honor and glory and power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”
14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever. -
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Are there other examples in Scripture where God commanded man to make something that symbolizes him and use it in the the context of worship?
The examples I come up with are all condemnations of man making things said to symbolize / represent God. The golden calf quickly comes to mind.
--> Are you stating that Jesus was created by man to symbolize God? -
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