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Featured Is it time for pastors to draw a Critical Race Theory line in the sand?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Calminian, Oct 9, 2020.

  1. Calminian

    Calminian Well-Known Member
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    Friel tackles this. Frankly, I think even he's too squishy on it, but he does concede it's time for Pastor's to get firm and denounce it.

     
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    CRT has no place in Christian circles and must be denounced.
     
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    And, frankly, I don't think there's a need to be nice or apologetic about it. It's wicked.
     
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    It is truly evil.
     
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    Critical Race Theory is wrong on many points.

    That said, it does point out two real problems. A lack of wealth, and thus start up money, for capital for a number of black families. A sense among many people raised racist, like I was, that black people do not equal white people as creatures of God made in His image.

    I come from the South, and older people taught me that after the Civil War the South's economy was so hurt that Northern and Western cities had more industry and economic opportunity. This was true until the modern day with the migration of people to Southern states like Florida.

    In the same way the newly freed slaves had less opportunity to build and finance wealth. This has led to black families in even the Modern day having less total wealth, and thus money for capital. I can find social science on it.

    IMO the South deserved more investment from the North and West after the Civil War. IMO black families that can prove a lack of wealth should have lowered standards for things like small business or farming loans. We also need to continue working hard so that black communities have great schooling.

    I won't go into details, but I was raised racist. I simply as a Christian rebel against my parents unbiblical training and thinking, hating them to love Christ. I can many times sense urges to discriminate or treat less equally black people. I notice it and actively resist the temptation. However, I'm a Believer. Many, many people likely don't care to resisty racist urges. Just like they don't resist being a drunkard or any other sin.

    All of that said, we do need to have good schooling for all, make sure blacks have the same opportunities as whites to work hard, and continue to call out racism and teach people go repent as scripture says.
     
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    The same is true for a number of white families.

    They have the same opportunities as everyone else.

    Again, they have the same opportunities already.
     
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    Very true, then it seems the best thing to do is help the less fortunate be entrepreneurs, regardless of color. A higher proportion of which will be racial minorities.
     
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    The best thing to do is ignore race altogether and realize everyone is human. Have people quit acting like they are victims of slavery, and have everyone just work hard and you either make it or you don't. No special treatment for anyone.
     
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    We do need to continue to call out racism and teach people to repent as scripture says. I agree.

    I see equal schooling and help for the least among us are political issues. I have a very different view than you. I believe my view is more just, but I'll just have to agree to disagree. I'll make a political thread on this matter.
     
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    What does any of this have to do with CTC? White Fragility, Social justice etc.? You're describing individual racism which the Church does deal with. And it appears you've benefited from it. What aspects of CRT do you think are good?
     
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    Only call out racism when it actually shows itself. The stuff the BLM is protesting, Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, Michael Brown, etc, none of those were acts of racism. Your view is more just? That's pretty self-righteous.
     
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    ....for all individuals of all races. Racists come in all colors. It's part of the sinful nature. CRT calls out only one race, and not even individuals.
     
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    Thinking about it, I shouldn't talk about CRT having good points. It's like saying Marx had some good points about labor reform. I'll avoid mentioning my views in reference to CRT. I'll just point out we have to continue fighting racism as the church and I'll make my political point separately. Thanks my friend, as usual.
     
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    I actually view opposing CRT as fighting racism.
     
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    I did not mean to be self-righteous, just honest. I assumed (A stupid thing) that you thought your position more just. I'm sorry if I offended you.
     
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    Interesting, like I said, Marx and his philosophy reacted to poor labor conditions. In America we fixed that with labor reforms and regulations to keep workers safe and happy. I see Now that we did not need Marxism to do that. CRT is to be opposed, and the underlying problems treated without appealing to it. Thanks.
     
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    Except CRT doesn't address racism at all, but rather stokes it.
     
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    I'm sorry not much about this post is true. I suggest you go do some research.
     
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    Where I live, schooling is far from equal. Everyone knows the academics and extracurricular activities at majority Black schools cannot compare with other schools in the district. CRT is not needed to see that problem, yet it is a problem. Of course, there are majority white schools in poor areas that can have a hard time, so I see what you are talking about. Misery goes beyond just poor black people.

    Criminal justice reform like that championed by President Trump is another area to address.

    CRT is not needed to see or fix these problems and it is couched in grievance and post modernism treating black people as the only disenfranchised. A myopic and even racist concern.
     
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    How am I wrong?
     
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