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Is the Christian Right willing to sell its Soul to the Republican Party?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by alatide, Sep 8, 2009.

  1. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

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    If you have read it then there is no way you could have missed that each country is judged on a perceived potential. I've give you this analogy before, but I'll give it again.

    Two people run a foot race. Person A wins the race. The judges declare Person B the winner, because Person A didn't run as fast as they could have. Now is that really fair? Person A ran faster than Person B. Person A crossed the finish line before Person B, but the judges say that Person B won.

    That's exactly what the WHO report does. It says some countries are better than others, even though the health care in the lower ranked countries is better. They do this because they don't believe the lower ranked countries are living up to their potential.

    If you can't understand that, then I suggest you go back to school for something other than "ingeneering".
     
  2. alatide

    alatide New Member

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    Why do you feel the need to continually insult me? I don't believe that described as Christian behavior in the Bible. I've read your understanding of how the poll works and I don't understand it to work that way. Please show me some proof.
     
  3. Winman

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    Here is an interesting article on how the WHO rates countries for health care.

     
  4. Johnv

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    I love the Who. I have all their CD's.
     
  5. Winman

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    What I understand from that article is that the WHO's health care ratings are biased toward socialistic systems. A country that provides health care to all citizens is rated high, regardless of whether the care is quality care.

    A lady I work with visited Egypt last year. She tripped on a unlevel brick sidewalk, fell and injured her wrist. She went to a doctor. She told me the doctor's office was filthy with insects crawling on the floor. The doctor wrapped her wrist with an ace bandage and told her that her wrist was just sprained. He also demanded $100 which she refused to pay because she had purchased insurance through her travel agency for this trip. The doctor became very angry and abusive, but she did not pay him.

    When she got home her wrist continued to bother her and swelled. She started to lose use of her fingers which she needs to perform her job. Myself and other employees urged her to see a doctor. She did and found her wrist had a severe fracture. She had gone several weeks with this injury because she believed her wrist only sprained and thought it would get better. If she had waited longer, her doctor here told her she might have had permanent injury with numbness and loss of use of her fingers.

    Now, that is a single incident and you cannot base all medical treatment in Egypt on this one case. And it is also true there are many horror stories of health care here. But if you sincerely believe that medical treatment in Egypt is superior to the USA as the WHO reports, you are in a fantasy world.
     
  6. Revmitchell

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    Bingo!................
     
  7. Winman

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    Here is an interesting article on health care in Jamaica which is rated by the WHO as 8th for level of health. The USA is rated 72nd. This writer is actually fairly positive of their system, so I did not cherry-pick this article with a bias.
    I do think it very important to notice that those over 65 years old cannot buy insurance there.

     
  8. TomVols

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    I suspect the same amount of damage has been done to the mainstream denoms who have sold out to the Democrats. Their numbers are dwindling, in part because they aren't looking for politics on Sunday morning.
     
  9. TomVols

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    I'll never forget what they did in Cincinnati and their managment who caused the deaths of concert-goers on a cold winter night in the 70s.
     
  10. matt wade

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    How have I insulted you? Sorry..didn't see an insult in what I posted.

    As for the proof...here's the post I previously showed the proof in:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1374672&postcount=38

    A quote from the WHO (included in that post):

     
  11. alatide

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    This is how the WHO describes its evaluation factors. No bias, just a statement of how they did the rankings.
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    Information in the WHO report also rates countries according to the different components of the performance index.

    Responsiveness: The nations with the most responsive health systems are the United States, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Germany, Japan, Canada, Norway, Netherlands and Sweden. The reason these are all advanced industrial nations is that a number of the elements of responsiveness depend strongly on the availability of resources. In addition, many of these countries were the first to begin addressing the responsiveness of their health systems to people’s needs.

    Fairness of financial contribution: When WHO measured the fairness of financial contribution to health systems, countries lined up differently. The measurement is based on the fraction of a household’s capacity to spend (income minus food expenditure) that goes on health care (including tax payments, social insurance, private insurance and out of pocket payments). Colombia was the top-rated country in this category, followed by Luxembourg, Belgium, Djibouti, Denmark, Ireland, Germany, Norway, Japan and Finland.

    Colombia achieved top rank because someone with a low income might pay the equivalent of one dollar per year for health care, while a high- income individual pays 7.6 dollars.

    Countries judged to have the least fair financing of health systems include Sierra Leone, Myanmar, Brazil, China, Viet Nam, Nepal, Russian Federation, Peru and Cambodia.

    Brazil, a middle-income nation, ranks low in this table because its people make high out-of-pocket payments for health care. This means a substantial number of households pay a large fraction of their income (after paying for food) on health care. The same explanation applies to the fairness of financing Peru’s health system. The reason why the Russian Federation ranks low is most likely related to the impact of the economic crisis in the 1990s. This has severely reduced government spending on health and led to increased out-of-pocket payment.

    In North America, Canada rates as the country with the fairest mechanism for health system finance – ranked at 17-19, while the United States is at 54-55. Cuba is the highest among Latin American and Caribbean nations at 23-25.

    The report indicates – clearly – the attributes of a good health system in relation to the elements of the performance measure, given below.

    Overall Level of Health: A good health system, above all, contributes to good health. To assess overall population health and thus to judge how well the objective of good health is being achieved, WHO has chosen to use the measure of disability- adjusted life expectancy (DALE). This has the advantage of being directly comparable to life expectancy and is readily compared across populations. The report provides estimates for all countries of disability- adjusted life expectancy. DALE is estimated to equal or exceed 70 years in 24 countries, and 60 years in over half the Member States of WHO. At the other extreme are 32 countries where disability- adjusted life expectancy is estimated to be less than 40 years. Many of these are countries characterised by major epidemics of HIV/AIDS, among other causes.
    Distribution of Health in the Populations: It is not sufficient to protect or improve the average health of the population, if - at the same time - inequality worsens or remains high because the gain accrues disproportionately to those already enjoying better health. The health system also has the responsibility to try to reduce inequalities by prioritizing actions to improve the health of the worse-off, wherever these inequalities are caused by conditions amenable to intervention. The objective of good health is really twofold: the best attainable average level – goodness – and the smallest feasible differences among individuals and groups – fairness. A gain in either one of these, with no change in the other, constitutes an improvement.

    Responsiveness: Responsiveness includes two major components. These are (a) respect for persons (including dignity, confidentiality and autonomy of individuals and families to decide about their own health); and (b) client orientation (including prompt attention, access to social support networks during care, quality of basic amenities and choice of provider).

    Distribution of Financing: There are good and bad ways to raise the resources for a health system, but they are more or less good primarily as they affect how fairly the financial burden is shared. Fair financing, as the name suggests, is only concerned with distribution. It is not related to the total resource bill, nor to how the funds are used. The objectives of the health system do not include any particular level of total spending, either absolutely or relative to income. This is because, at all levels of spending there are other possible uses for the resources devoted to health. The level of funding to allocate to the health system is a social choice – with no correct answer. Nonetheless, the report suggests that countries spending less than around 60 dollars per person per year on health find that their populations are unable to access health services from an adequately performing health system.

    In order to reflect these attributes, health systems have to carry out certain functions. They build human resources through investment and training, they deliver services, they finance all these activities. They act as the overall stewards of the resources and powers entrusted to them. In focusing on these few universal functions of health systems, the report provides evidence to assist policy-makers as they make choices to improve health system performance.
     
  12. OldRegular

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    "whoever" and most people who think like him believe this country is the "A"-hole of the world and the only way to improve it is to make it a Marxist nation. Then no matter that people have lost their most precious freedoms he and his kind will be happy drones!
     
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    people who hate this country should leave it.
     
  14. Crabtownboy

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    Have you ever considered that people you do not agree with may also love this country?
     
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    if they did they wouldn't constantly bash it and try to tear it down and destroy it, and take away freedoms that belong to cotozen of this country, they would not approve abortion and confirm homose#xual unions/marriage, both sins according to the bible, I don't see israel got away with this kind of thing, and we won't either, and instead of supporting biblical morals, those who hate this country so much want to see it destroyed.
     
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    Did you oppose the Homeland Security Bill that took many of your civil rights away? Thank goodness Congress has removed some of the draconian portions of the original law.
     
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    What provisions have been removed ?
     
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    Do you deny the following statement?

    "whoever" and most people who think like him believe this country is the "A"-hole of the world and the only way to improve it is to make it a Marxist nation. Then no matter that people have lost their most precious freedoms he and his kind will be happy drones!
     
  20. Crabtownboy

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    Your comment is too offensive to comment on, have you no civility about you at all? I am greatly offended by your edited profanity. I really thought this type of language is a grave bb offense. I cannot see any circumstance that would call for such profanity from a Christian.

    What do the moderators say about the use of such profane contractions?
     
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