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Is the Church Irrelevant?
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Ben1445
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Now factor in the people who say religion is very important but don’t go to church or maybe even have recognizable religion.
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
How spotted is today’s church. It should not be, but how many times have you heard someone take God’s name in vain on church property?
There is no fear of God.
On the bright side, pickin’s are ripe. You don’t have to look as far as you used to find someone who needs the gospel.
It reminds me of the illustration of the shoe salesmen who were sent into a place where they found a barefoot civilization.
The first returned home and with the excuse that no one had shoes so they wouldn’t sell any because nobody used them.
The second sent a message back to the company that there was no competition and everyone needed what they were offering.
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
How spotted is today’s church. It should not be, but how many times have you heard someone take God’s name in vain on church property?
There is no fear of God.
On the bright side, pickin’s are ripe. You don’t have to look as far as you used to find someone who needs the gospel.
It reminds me of the illustration of the shoe salesmen who were sent into a place where they found a barefoot civilization.
The first returned home and with the excuse that no one had shoes so they wouldn’t sell any because nobody used them.
The second sent a message back to the company that there was no competition and everyone needed what they were offering.
some so called Churches are irrelevant. Yes
The true church is never irrelevant
The true church is never irrelevant
Absolutely
Correct
I’ve been reading the history of my family’s church life in the revival era. It involved allot of praise singing and then good preaching. The singing alone took an hour or more with the participants being the entire church.. they spent the entire day into nightfall at the church… it was an event to both praise and honor. An old timer who I conversed with told me you could feel the Holy Spirit rising up and manny got regenerated & converted.
I’m inspired by gospel music, also the old hymns. Would that we could have it once again.
"Ain't No Grave" sung by Molly Skaggs live at Bethel Church
VICTORY Album Available everywhere now:
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Get the chord chart: https://bethelmusic.com/chords-and-lyrics/aint-no-grave/
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Lyrics:
Verse 1
Shame is a prison as cruel as a grave
Shame is a robber and he’s come to take my name
Love is my redeemer lifting me up from the ground
Love is the power where my freedom song is found
Chorus
There ain’t no grave gonna hold my body down
There ain’t no grave gonna hold my body down
When I hear that trumpet sound, I’m gonna rise up out of the ground
There ain’t no grave gonna hold my body down
Verse 2
Fear is a liar with a smooth and velvet tongue
Fear is a tyrant, he’s always telling me to run
Love is resurrection and love is a trumpet sound
Love is my weapon, I’m gonna take my giants down
Verse 3
There was a battle, a war between death and life
There on a tree the Lamb of God was crucified
He went on down to hell, He took back every key
He rose up as a lion and He’s setting all the captives free
Chorus 2
There ain’t no grave could hold His body down
There ain’t no grave could hold His body down
When He heard the trumpet sound, He rose up out of the ground
There ain’t no grave could hold His body down
There ain’t no grave could hold His body down
There ain’t no grave could hold my body down
There ain’t no grave could hold my body down
Bridge
If You walked out of the grave, I’m walkin’ too
Ain’t No Grave
Written by Molly Skaggs / Jonathan David Helser / Melissa Helser
#aintnograve #victory #bethelmusic
https://share.google/QqENFvrrRHwQf9U7p
"Ain't No Grave" sung by Molly Skaggs live at Bethel Church
VICTORY Album Available everywhere now:
Spotify | Victory (Live) by Bethel Music
Itunes | https://bethelmusic.lnk.to/VictoryID/itunes
Apple Music | Victory (Live) by Bethel Music
Amazon | Victory (Live) by Bethel Music
Subscribe for the latest videos and songs: http://bit.ly/BMsubscribe
Visit VICTORY website: bethelmusic.com/victory
Get the chord chart: https://bethelmusic.com/chords-and-lyrics/aint-no-grave/
Stay Connected:
Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/bethelmusic/
Facebook | Bethel Music
X | https://X.com/bethelmusic
BM Website | Worship Music, Live Events, Chords & Lyrics
Lyrics:
Verse 1
Shame is a prison as cruel as a grave
Shame is a robber and he’s come to take my name
Love is my redeemer lifting me up from the ground
Love is the power where my freedom song is found
Chorus
There ain’t no grave gonna hold my body down
There ain’t no grave gonna hold my body down
When I hear that trumpet sound, I’m gonna rise up out of the ground
There ain’t no grave gonna hold my body down
Verse 2
Fear is a liar with a smooth and velvet tongue
Fear is a tyrant, he’s always telling me to run
Love is resurrection and love is a trumpet sound
Love is my weapon, I’m gonna take my giants down
Verse 3
There was a battle, a war between death and life
There on a tree the Lamb of God was crucified
He went on down to hell, He took back every key
He rose up as a lion and He’s setting all the captives free
Chorus 2
There ain’t no grave could hold His body down
There ain’t no grave could hold His body down
When He heard the trumpet sound, He rose up out of the ground
There ain’t no grave could hold His body down
There ain’t no grave could hold His body down
There ain’t no grave could hold my body down
There ain’t no grave could hold my body down
Bridge
If You walked out of the grave, I’m walkin’ too
Ain’t No Grave
Written by Molly Skaggs / Jonathan David Helser / Melissa Helser
#aintnograve #victory #bethelmusic
https://share.google/QqENFvrrRHwQf9U7p
(Mat 16:18 KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The KJV translates Strong's G1577 in the following manner: church (115x), assembly (3x).
Who called us out?
Enough said. Praise God!
The KJV translates Strong's G1577 in the following manner: church (115x), assembly (3x).
- a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly
Who called us out?
Enough said. Praise God!
I think it's important for self-proclaimed Protestants, by conviction, to adhere to the practice of Sola Scriptura and allow the New Testament to define for us what "the church" actually is, which is the body of believers. It's the elect of Christ that He's been gathering since the beginning of time.
There are too many Protestants today, by tradition, who seem to think that "the church" is a building with a steeple on top. While a church meeting can take place within a physical structure, I believe what we mostly see today is not the model that is found in Acts and the Epistles. Christians in the first century went from house to house and gathered in the wilderness.
The model that I see today has too much focus on maintaining the building itself rather than maintaining the spiritual kingdom. This inevitably leads to pastors misusing OT scriptures related to financial giving in order to guilt trip folks into feeling the need to contribute to the building's enormous cost overrun, which profits the utility companies who have been unnecessarily hiking up their rates for years, as well as paying down the building's debt, which goes into the banker's pockets rather than going directly to those in need of food, clothing and shelter.
So, if we were to define "the church" by what we mostly see today in corporate America, then I would say it absolutely is irrelevant and always has been.
There are too many Protestants today, by tradition, who seem to think that "the church" is a building with a steeple on top. While a church meeting can take place within a physical structure, I believe what we mostly see today is not the model that is found in Acts and the Epistles. Christians in the first century went from house to house and gathered in the wilderness.
The model that I see today has too much focus on maintaining the building itself rather than maintaining the spiritual kingdom. This inevitably leads to pastors misusing OT scriptures related to financial giving in order to guilt trip folks into feeling the need to contribute to the building's enormous cost overrun, which profits the utility companies who have been unnecessarily hiking up their rates for years, as well as paying down the building's debt, which goes into the banker's pockets rather than going directly to those in need of food, clothing and shelter.
So, if we were to define "the church" by what we mostly see today in corporate America, then I would say it absolutely is irrelevant and always has been.
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