much the same, only He is God!:smilewinkgrin:
Is Warren an ecumenicalist?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salamander, Jan 24, 2009.
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This is so true.
Isnt one decision truely to follow Jesus worth more than 1000 decisions to follow an evangelist?
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I think this will be my last post on this thread unless someone has a question for me. I think it is clear that the answer to the OP about RW being ecuminical is no he is not. -
Does anyone notice any differences in this prayer, from a former president, verses the "prayer" of RW?
The differences are quite obvious: Warren's "prayer" was rehearsed politically correct mumbo-jumbo while this president's prayer was God honouring, edification in brotherly love, PATRIOTIC! and gave specific and due recognition as to WHOM all glory is given and IN His Name!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
For those who are asking "who" prayed the above quote? 1st President George washington! -
Even some of my "heroes of the faith" have let me down by their actions which can only be attributed to their being human, but JESUS NEVER! let anyone down! -
That's because there's a very real spiritual battle going on in the world and especially in this country, and certainly there is a real spiritual force behind Rick Warren and his movement. The same was true of the Obama campaign in the political sector, in case anyone noticed. And finally, the same is true of the multinational corporate sector, where in a recent instance, elite world bankers succeeded in a scam that transferred more than a trillion dollars of wealth from American taxpayers in order to spread it out among themselves. And did it openly right in front of the people, and were so successful, that they're going to do it again.
These are recent examples of spiritual forces at work behind the scenes and of the global-management three-legged stool at work, consisting of a political/governmental leg, a corporate/economical leg, and a religious/spiritual leg. It is the global building mechanism that Warren has talked about over the years, that he learned from one of his close mentors, the corporate-diaprax and human-capital expert Peter Drucker, and the mechanism, and real secret, other than brute spiritual force and the cooperation of the corporate sector, behind the success of the purpose-driven movement and the so-called P.E.A.C.E plan.
Whether Warren's movement will continue to be successful or not we will have to wait and see. Movements in the past half-century have almost always been stepping stones, which served their purpose and then sort of dried-up. Personally, I think Warren's movement has legs, as I've suspected for some years that Warren is a bridge from conservative Christianity to a tolerant new-age form of spirituality.
It is indeed pretty amazing that so many Believers fail to see through the tapestry that cloaks Warren and his movement (and a few other movements, as well). Then again, it's understandable. For it is a beautiful tapestry, cloaked with what looks to be the beauty of the LORD Himself. Pastors and church leaders all over the world have fallen for it. You wonder how that could be, until you consider what's been going on in the seminaries of Western Civilization for more than a century, and then the deceptive brilliance of our enemy. And what on earth do you think one of his well-cloaked movements is supposed to look like? Something you can easily see right through??
As far as ecumenism goes, whether or not Warren is ecumenical depends on what you mean by ecumenical. You can define the answer in this case. But what Warren is for sure is a globalist who is working, wittingly or unwittingly, hand in hand with those who are carrying out the plan of our enemy, and fighting the plan of God. To them, it is a dream that has inspired them most of their lives, their dream of a global community, of a world government, a dream that also inspired previous generations of families and secular leaders. And it is so close now, so very close, that they can actually taste it.
And we can also be sure that dream does not include spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the uttermost parts of the earth. They will tolerate a global religion, in fact many of them welcome it (provided it is an organized outcome of a consensus process) as a preparatory step for their coming world leader. In fact, anything remotely religious or spiritual will be tolerated with one glaring exception - simple, non-legalistic, old-fashioned, Biblical, New Testament Christianity, which will be, as has already begun, marginalized as hateful and too extreme to be tolerated.
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IveyLeaguer,
That's a very well written post. It appears you put some time and thought into your response. However, you make accusations without offering any evidence to substantiate them. For example;
Do not mistake this as me being pro RW or anyone else except pro Christ. It just seams to me that any Church/Evangelist/pastor that makes a public stance for Jesus is crucified by the very people who claim Christ. Are we so jealous over one success that we must tear them down. I pastored a small church of 10 or so folks. I heard them make acusations against any church that was larger. "I'm so glad that we don't compromise the Gospel just to get numbers", they would say. Underneath was the assumption that any success had to be compromise. When we wouls start to grow and get 30 - 40 in a service, they would tear it all apart.
Maybe this is not what you are doing and I am in error. If you can provide evidence of your charges against RW, I will support you in every way. But if you can not, why not accept that God is using him to reach people that I can not for the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Either way he should be in our prayers that God use him and Mr. Obama to bring Glory to the name of Jesus Christ.
Love and God Bless,
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I see you haven't changed much since you first got here 3 or 4 years ago. Then certainly don't read it, or even think about it. Just take your shot. The post is not intended for close-minded Warren defenders.
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Your posts remind me of a quote I just read from John Ortberg "The religious leaders had a kind of differentness that pushed people away. Jesus had a kind of differentness that drew people to Him."
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"The strongest argument for Christianity is Christians when they are drawing life from God, and the strongest argument against Christianity is Christians when they become exclusive, self-righteous and complacent."
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I'm even running into what yoy've described as my being "too extreme" in our church. I've been accused of being too hard on bus kids by preaching directly to them!
I've never been mean-spirited towards them at all. I've been threatened, cussed out, yelled at, had them stomp out the door screaming obscenities, etc. I've gone to each one on one and reasoned with them. once getting them calmed down, I've told them what behaviour is expected from them and told them to keep coming, but of course with the warning not to act like that anymore, especially in church! I'm "too mean!":sleep: -
I usually don't read something so promoted through syndication as "The Purpose Driven Church" seems to have been, simply because so much liberal hoopla is always attached to it.
Question for those who've read the book: is it true that Warren uses language which leads one to omit and show little regard to the Blood of Christ as the necessary atonement for salvation? -
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You say:
As far as ecumenism goes, whether or not Warren is ecumenical depends on what you mean by ecumenical.
Then you don't define ecumenical. You must define something before you can claim someone is guilty of it. That's just rhetorical slight of hand. -
Look again, and you'll see I don't claim one way or the other whether or not RW is ecumenical. As I said, and others have made the same point in this very thread, you can define the answer, depending on the definition. Ecumenism means different things to different people, so whether RW qualifies as ecumenical depends, first, on what definition you may use.
Some of my points go hand in hand with ecumenism, but are nevertheless issues that stand on their own.
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