It is as it was....or was it?

No comparison....? Big time move director - Jesus movie - lots of publicity - big reaction from the Christian groups... Yet you say "no comparison"?

Humor me then... what's so utterly different this time around?

 

Phillip wrote:
Didn't I read "somewhere in the gospels" (tongue-in-cheek) that the Romans had someone help him carry the cross because of the heavy load. How do we know he didn't fall there?

MalkyEL: Well, actually three of the Gospels tell us that Jesus did not carry His cross at all. As Jesus "was led" from the hall, the Romans "compelled" Simon to carry the cross for Him. I do not believe that Jesus fell. He was strengthened by an angel in the garden to endure what He had to go through.
[led away imnplies walking]

Matt 27
31 And after they had mocked Him, they took the robe off of Him and put His own clothing on Him and led Him away to crucify Him .
32 And going out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name. They forced this one to carry His cross.

Mark 15
20 And when they had mocked Him, they took the purple off Him and put His own clothes on Him and led Him out to crucify Him.
21 And they made one who was passing by, Simon a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear His cross.

Luke 23
26 ¶ And as they led Him away, they laid hold on one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country. And they laid the cross on him, that he might carry it after Jesus.

 

People liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike Mel Gibson.

Mel is Mr. RoadWarrior/Patriot/Lethal Weapon/Brave Heart/Mad Max.

People liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike movies and popcorn to weep into as they watch sadism.

People follow evangelical leeeeeeeeeeeeeaders.

People are people so why should it be
you and them should get along so awfully?

If I told you what it takes to reach the highest high
You'd laugh and say nothing's that simple.
But you've been told many times before
messiahs pointed to the door,
NO ONE HAD THE GUTS TO LEAVE THE TEMPLE.

(The Who, TOMMY rock opera)

Oooops, that was extra-biblical. good thing the Passion film lovers won't mind.

 

That's okay Vaspers....because....

I'mmmmmmmm Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

 

Boys and Girls---I'm going to ask an honest question---so give me an honest answer

If a movie can be made about the passion of Jesus----using only---only---only---the word from the Word----the Bible---Sola Scripture----and not adding to or subtracting from that scripture not one fraction of a millimeter--

would people be flockin' to see it???

 

Glory Bound,

Welcome to Reality Island. I hope you will be staying with us for a while. Please check out the fresh brewed, all you can drink , reality coffee that we have here. Unfortunately many will not even smell it, but Vaspers, myself, and others all remain hopeful. In order to extend your visa here, you must be able to demonstrate that you can rightly divide the Word. We have already issued your extended stay visa.

:cool:

Don't worry about what appears to be errant theology "sharks". They have no teeth, and are quite harmless.

 

I said that because----I can write a sermon based solely on Scripture---tell the folks the Sunday before something like "I'm preaching a series preceeding Easter Season on the words and actions surrounding the Cross of Jesus"----and will have to preach to half empty pews

 

S&T wrote:
Don't worry about what appears to be errant theology "sharks". They have no teeth, and are quite harmless.

MalkyEL: Maybe the reason the sharks like the movie so much is because of all the chum in the water :rolleyes:

 

This movie is presented as good or Biblically sound. In evaluation, anything that presents the use of or is of the occult in a positive way or provides beliefs contrary to God's Word, or is presented by someone who rejects Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior---we cannot embrace as a source of doctrine or belief.

Job 14:4 "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one."

Jas 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

There were given a list of nine occult practices which are forbidden by God and revealed to all as "abominations to the Lord."

Deuteronomy 18:9-12 "When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee"

We have no business enjoying or considering something to be innocent or alright that is an abomination to our Lord.

We definitely have no business calling it Biblically sound or good and of Him, if it is an abomination to Him. A quick review of those abominations revealed in the Scriptures shows this, sourcing various dictionaries and so on.

Someone who uses divination, which is defined as >"determine by lot or magical scroll; soothsayer.; oracle, witchcraft. Divination is also defined as "The act of divining; a foretelling future events, or discovering things secret or obscure, by the aid of superior beings, or by other than human means." aka ...demons

Thats the stuff of emmerich, bridget and mary of agreda, which mel gibson used for his script and which is portrayed in scene after scene.

Emmerich was known to have a 'spirit' as a companion that accompanied her wherever she went, she levitated and so on.

The Hebrew word for "an enchanter" means properly, to hiss, i.e. whisper a (magic) spell, divine, enchanter. Webster defined an enchanter as, "One who enchants; a sorcerer or magician; one who has spirits or demons at his command; one who practices enchantment, or pretends to perform surprising things by the agency of demons."

A consulter with familiar spirits, which was emmerich, agread and bridget, is one who asks or inquires infromation from a divining spirit. This spirit was supposed to be in the person of the conjurer, and was used to reveal to what was secret or hidden in the future ...aka demon possession.

A person who is a necromancer" is supposed to foretell the future by communicating with the dead; a magician, sorcerer, magician, a conjurer-which was emmerich, agreda and bridget.--and Mel Gibson sourced their divination for his movie which many call God given.

All those abominations fit what emmerich, mary of agreda and bridget were/are about. And therefore the Scriptures apply.

How are those who belong to Jesus Christ to view divination and its end results?

Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Paul said in Galatians 5:19-21, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

We have been warned.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

giving heed <prosecho> to seducing <planos> spirits <pneuma>, and doctrines <didaskalia> of devils <daimonion>;

giving heed <prosecho> 4337. prosecw prosecho, pros-ekh'-o from 4314 and 2192; (figuratively) to hold the mind (3563 implied) towards, i.e. pay attention to, be cautious about, apply oneself to, adhere to:--(give) attend(-ance, -ance at, -ance to, unto), beware, be given to, give (take) heed (to unto); have regard.

to seducing <planos> 4108. planov planos, > plan'-os of uncertain affinity; roving (as a tramp), i.e. (by implication) an impostor or misleader; --deceiver, seducing.

1319. didaskalia didaskalia, did-as-kal-ee'-ah >from 1320; instruction (the function or the information):--doctrine, learning, teaching.

doctrines <didaskalia> 1319. didaskalia didaskalia, did-as-kal-ee'-ah from 1320; instruction (the function or the information):--doctrine, learning, teaching.

of devils <daimonion>; 1140. daimonion daimonion, dahee-mon'-ee-on neuter of a derivative of 1142; a dæmonic being; by extension a deity:--devil, god.
1142. daimwn daimon, dah'-ee-mown from daio (to distribute fortunes); a dæmon or supernatural spirit (of a bad nature):--devil.

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy

Speaking lies 5573. qeudologov pseudologos, psyoo-dol-og'-os > from 5571 and 3004; mendacious, i.e. promulgating erroneous Christian doctrine:--speaking lies.
5571. qeudhv pseudes, psyoo-dace' from 5574; untrue, i.e. erroneous, deceitful, wicked:--false, liar.

in hypocrisy 5272. upokrisiv hupokrisis, hoop-ok'-ree-sis from 5271; acting under a feigned part, i.e. (figuratively) deceit ("hypocrisy"):--condemnation, dissimulation, hypocrisy.

1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

no fellowship 4790. sugkoinwnew sugkoinoneo, soong-koy-no-neh'-o from 4862 and 2841; to share in company with, i.e. co-participate in:--communicate (have fellowship) with, be partaker of.

Jesus, our Lord, said very clearly

Mt 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Lu 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Lu 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit

 

Ol'fren, Broblackbird! Youse know I's an old gal...but I ain't never seen anything what's INFECTED folks like dis here movie-pitcher has!

People will think they're being drawn closer to Christ, while the devil laughs. There is NO Gospel in The Passion. A little leaven...and it is bringing about the endtimes deceptions quickly.

If it's "allowed" in places where the Holy Bible is not, that's enough for alarm, no? If it's "endorsed" by ALL walks of life, red flags, eh? If the world LOVES it, it's NOT about the REAL Jesus...

I pray all your pews would be filled with Scripture-hungry folks from all over the Wesson-Brookhaven area...but you & I know better...it's gonna get worse.

You are a humble & faithful servant & you bring us many happy moments on the BB, so keep preaching & never compromise! I admire you & the others for your stand against this farce.

 

blackbird: try maybe, I dunno, I'm not the world's best sermon maker but...

...sermon about how Jesus left his comfort zone in heaven to come down here and be mocked, get tired and hungry, all that flesh restriction stuff...

...relate how we must often leave our comfort zones to bless, heal, instruct, help others.

Jesus left His comfort zone. This is amazing.

 

Unfortunately, no they wouldn't, Blackbird. :(

Take the movie The Gospel of John as a prime example. It is TOTALLY word-for-word scripture...nothing added or subtracted from the word of God. Yet I have seen it mentioned here that "the acting wasn't very good" or it was "boring" or it was too "slow-moving". I think The Passion of the Christ has set a new standard for Christian "action" movies.

(Personally, I love "The Gospel of John" movie.)

CJ

 

That's why I so fanatically love and cherish the beautiful music of married Catholic monk, John Michael Talbot: 99% pure scripture in the lyrics, usually Psalms or Sermons of Jesus.

I recently bought Simple Heart and Wisdom CDs at Barnes & Noble.

This brother in Christ seems more Christian than all our supposed "evangelical leaders" put together.

In about 100 of his songs I have listened to, only about 3 or 4 lines that sound "Catholic" all the rest is non-denominational, just KJV biblical lyrics put to gentle guitar, flute, and soft symphony type music.

He's a Jesus Revolution 1970s guy who became a monk. Was in Mason Proffit, that song "Two Hangmen Hangin' On a Tree" was theirs.

JMT is very successful, has about 20 or so CDs, maybe more, and he doesn't seem to think he has to add stuff to the Bible to have interesting lyrics. Listening to him is like hearing angels singing the Bible. Too cool to describe.

Oh, yesterday I bought "Silence is Easy" CD by Starsailor. Pretty good, like Midnight Oil a little, that kind of odd singing voice. "Born Again" and "Music Was Saved" and "Shark Food" are standout trax. OOOps. Wrong thread topic.

 

John 21:24 This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true. 25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

I love this passage... and John the Beloved is my favorite Disciple. I'd gladly watch the movie but won't spend $50. on it since one of our fellas said it was too long and quite slow.

C.J., we don't rent movies at the Blockbuster. We cut up our cards. They have homosexual 'newspapers' at a child's level along with the free newspapers about homes for sale or cars for sale and they have refused to remove them or put them behind the counter. One week the picture on the front was 3 men in bed and they appeared to be naked! There are no other video rental places here.

Diane

 

diane: good for you for cutting up your cards.

You so often come up with interesting posts!

Shame on Blockbuster. Or is it now Bedbuddybuster?

 

Diane, exactly my point. It was "too long" and "quite slow". Yet it is word-for-word scripture.

I don't rent from Blockbuster either. I sprang for the $50 bucks for the movie...$44.95 + S&H. I opted to spend the $50 bucks for that as I know how to swim and don't need swim lessons.

CJ

 

Oops...hit the wrong button!

 

Fifty "smackers" for a movie??

There's a place in Brookhaven that has $1.00 movies---but it ain't never what you want to see!!

I like Clint Eastwood's Western's

Paint the Town Red
Two Mules for Sister Sarah
A Fist Full of Dollars
The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly(I never could figure out which one was Ugly, though---they all look the same to Blackbird!)
High Plains Drifter

 

Now C.J.! You would begrudge me spending $50. for 20 swim lessons for my child when I have a horrendous fear of swimming pools and water? Two lessons a week for 10 weeks plus 10 open swim times versus buying a movie that is reported to be 'slow' and 'too long' that we might only watch one time?

Diane

 

I didn't learn how to swim till I was a Senior in College---then I noticed as a Freshman that Swimming was on my curriculm as a required class(Physical Education)---but I kept puttin' it off and puttin' it off and puttin' it off till my last semister there!! When Blackbird "breezed through" the class(he knew he would all along!!)---he was ready to play lead in Moby Dick or be a "Stunt" man for Titanic---Leo's stand-in, you know!!