But what if I want to have a pity party?
Job 19:21 Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends; for the hand of God hath touched me.
HankD
Jeremiah 29:11
Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by RaptureReady, Nov 1, 2004.
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In the KJB, Jeremiah 29:11, Jeremiah is writing to the elders, priets, prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon who were captive.(vs.1) This letter is being carried by the hand of Elasah the son of Shaphan, and Gemariah the son of Hilkiah.(vs.3)
The letter:
[4]Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, unto all that are carried away captives, whom I have caused to be carried away from Jerusalem unto Babylon;
[5] Build ye houses, and dwell in them; and plant gardens, and eat the fruit of them;
[6] Take ye wives, and beget sons and daughters; and take wives for your sons, and give your daughters to husbands, that they may bear sons and daughters; that ye may be increased there, and not diminished.
[7] And seek the peace of the city whither I have caused you to be carried away captives, and pray unto the LORD for it: for in the peace thereof shall ye have peace.
Now before we continue, God has just told these people to go out and basically be prosperous, start a new. Then things change in verse 8, look and see
[8] For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
[9] For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.
In verses 7, 8, and 9, the Lord warns the people to not listen to the prophets and the diviners among them, because they are deceivers and prophesy falsely. It is really untellin' what they said about God.
Now verse 11 makes since.
[11] For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
God reassures them that he has thoughts of peace and not evil toward them. Probably the reason he said this is because of those false prophets. They may have told them, that God does not care for them, especially since they were captives. Who knows, but something happen for God to say this.
So there you have it in context. There are two thoughts here, not just one of prosperity.
Now, why do I continue to apply it to myself? Because there are false prophets amoung us who proclaim things in God's name, but God does not know them. Some say that God does not like you or even love you. This is simply not true. The letter by Jeremiah from God applies to us today just as it did back then. God has thoughts of peace toward me. Thank God for that.
God bless,
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RR:I'll tell you why, the devil. The devil has changed the bible so much that it completely takes away from what God is saying.
Better think again...Do ya REALLY believe God retired in 1611 and no longer protects and provides His word in TODAY'S languages and language styles? Do ya REALLY believe He tossed the AV into KJ's lap & said, "There it is...Take it or leave it"?
OR...has the devil invented such false doctrines as the KJVO myth to cause strife and division? Remember, it was started by a SDA official, so it didn't come from GOD. Think JESUS is pleased with those who attack His word with a doctrine not found in His word, and started by a cult official?
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God bless,
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BTW, if God's Word was perfectly preserved in 1611, why don't you use that revision of the KJV? What did the poor souls in 1605 use?
Men who belonged to a church that systematically attempted to stamp out Baptists and other dissenters from the Anglican Catholic state church. Men who had significant doctrinal differences with what a Baptist believes.
If KJV churches would adopt the NKJV as their standard text, as they should since it uses a form of English that the common man of today understands, we would not be having this strife and division.
If the US had a state church that would impose a single version on all churches, as the Church of England did with the "Authorized Version" in the 1630's upon threat of imprisonment, we would not be having this strife and division.
Show us where you think sin has been watered down in a faithful translation of the Bible like the NASB or NKJV.
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What man made doctrine? We believe God inspired and preserved his word in the KJB. If my understanding is correct this was the believe of the body of believers until Westcott and Hort came along. The Bible says to not add or take away from God's word. The only man made doctrine is W/H man made, doctrine of, is the Bible really God's word.
Again, this is all the devils work. This work has been in full production since the devil tempted Eve in the garden. He has since then, some 6,000 years to learn what the weakiness of man are and one of those is, "yea hath God said."
God bless,
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Prove it's the "Devil's Work", RR. KJVOism is a false doctrine, will always be a false doctrine, and because of it's divisive nature could be called the Devils Work.
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Natters, if one Bible says this and the other says that, one is right and one is wrong. Therefore the one that is wrong is not God's word. Plain and simple.
God bless,
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When one gospel says one thing and another gospel says another, is one right and one wrong, the wrong one being "not God's word". No. Plain and simple. -
Can you truly not see that the passage in Jeremiah 29 is talking about two different things? Swallow your pride and accept that the NIV is wrong here.
God bless,
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RR, how is the NIV wrong? Contextually, it fits wonderfully. The NIV is right, the KJV is right. Your personal understanding is the one that is wrong.
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They both cannot be right. The KJB is talking about God's thoughts toward us. The NIV is talking about God prospering us.
Webster says:
Thought = 1 : to form or have in the mind
2 : to have as an intention
Prosper = 1 : to succeed in an enterprise or
activity; especially : to achieve
economic success
2 : to become strong and flourishing
Two totally different meanings. One is right and one is wrong. Which is it? I believe the KJB. You believe both are correct, more so the NIV. One of us will be judged for spreading the wrong teaching.
God bless,
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Why are you comparing "thought" to "prosper"?
The comparison is between the phrases: "plans to prosper" and "thoughts of peace".
Peace and prosperity often go together as a blessing. The two translations together probably provide a more comprehensive understanding of what God intended in Hebrew than either does alone.
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Jonathan Edwards used the KJV but he also seemed to be fond of using phrases and paraphrasing. Wesley knew the biblical languages and produced his own translation to correct what he saw as weaknesses in the KJV.
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RaptureReady said "They both cannot be right. The KJB is talking about God's thoughts toward us. The NIV is talking about God prospering us."
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In other words John Burgon believed the AV contained errors and needed revision
His complaint was not that Wescott and Hort believed that the AV needed revision and correction but that the two mss Aleph and B were used by W&H as models of "the best manuscripts" from which to make those corrections.
The AV or any translation can only be said to be inspired by derivation from the original language texts and in accord with the faithfulness of the translation to those original language texts.
The KJV tanslators were not prophets or apostles or to use their own words they were not "apostolic men" who knew the Lord in the flesh here on earth so as to be authorised to produce the God-breathed Scriptures.
Those original language texts called the Traditional Texts of the Old and New Testaments are the preserved text of the inspired originals.
The Old Itala, the Peshitto, the Latin Vulgate, and the KJV are translations and have derived but not intrinsic inspiration.
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Interesting that the KJV translators picked the same word in this case as the Douay translators ...
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