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Jerry Walls Refuting Calvinistic Soteriology

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by AndyMartin, May 21, 2017.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    The doctrines though gives the full glory to God in salvation, so why would satan be the one bring forth that view?
     
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    God chose Isaac, Abraham, the jewish people, he chose the Apsotles, and he chose those to whom the death of jesus would save!
     
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    1. So what part of man, body, soul, or spirit, do you think was not affected by the fall and is holy enough to approach God on its own merits?

    2. What condition of perfect holiness did you meet that caused God to elect you to heaven that your neighbor, who is obviously inferior to you, does not meet?

    3. If the atonement is applied to everybody without distinction then their sins are forgiven and they go to heaven. If not, how does a sinless person end up in hell?

    4. If the Grace of God is powerless to achieve that which He intended it to achieve does that make God impotent? Unable to achieve His own goals?
     
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    1. There is no such thing as "total depravity" in the Holy Bible. As I have shown from John 5:25, Jesus very clearly says that the spiritual dead CAN HEAR the Gospel!

    2. What makes the Calvinist "elite" in God's eyes?

    3. The sins of the whole human race have been "atoned" for, but without repentance and forgiveness, they cannot be forgiven. You have a false understanding of the Bible to suggest that the Atonement was "actual", and not "potential"

    4. There are many instances in the Bible which clearly show that God's Grace, and Mercy was "resisted" which is what the Jews in the OT did on many occasions, and still happens today. Stephen in his message in Acts 7 told the Jews that they "resist" the Holy Spirit!
     
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    I can't help but notice you dodged the question. Here it is again:

    1. So what part of man, body, soul, or spirit, do you think was not affected by the fall and is holy enough to approach God on its own merits?

    Please post a quote from me where I ever made such a foolish claim.

    And, again, you dodged the question. Here it is again:

    2. What condition of holiness did you meet that caused God to elect you to heaven that your neighbor, who is obviously inferior to you, does not meet?

    So did Jesus lie when He said "It is finished?" That is, "actual" not "potential," waiting for you to add something to it?

    And, again, I can't help but notice you dodged the question (again). Here it is again:

    3. If the atonement is applied to everybody without distinction then their sins are forgiven and they go to heaven. If not, how does a sinless person end up in hell?

    Yes, we all know that. But it has nothing whatsoever to do with God's Grace being efficacious.

    And, once again, you dodged the question, so, here it is again:

    4. If the Grace of God is powerless to achieve that which He intended it to achieve does that make God impotent? Unable to achieve His own goals?
     
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    1. there is indded that in the bible, as we cna all "hear" the Gospel message, but NONE of usapart from the working of the Holy Spirit can hear/understand/believe unto Jesus to get saved
    2. Nothing in us, as thatis the pleasure and purpose of his will directly towards us!
    3.The death of jesus was intended to save a definite group of people,actual salvation, not a potential salvation!
    4.The lost ALWAYS will continue to resist the Holy Spirit, as their sin natures will not allow them to accept! NO chosen by God though will resist!
     
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    He's a Calvinist witch hunter.

    Ask him to exegete Romans 4:25. When you put a kink in his humanism, he deflects and goes off on a tangent.
     
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    No man...That means everyone...Can come...That means they're unable...
     
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    It’s a standard retort; you don’t know what we believe bla bla.

    Perhaps you should ask them to exactly point how the video misrepresents their own brand of Calvinism.
     
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    Year old zombie thread. Closed.
     
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