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Featured Jesus Christ Shed His Blood for Judas

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Oct 23, 2020.

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    "And when the hour came, he reclined at table, and the apostles with him. And he said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you I will not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he said, “Take this, and divide it among yourselves. For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood. But behold, the hand of him who betrays me is with me on the table. For the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom he is betrayed!”And they began to question one another, which of them it could be who was going to do this." (Luke 22:14-23)

    Note the important words that Jesus uses here, "But behold, the hand of him who betrays me is with me on the table", which were spoken AFTER Jesus had given Judas the cup representing His blood, and the bread, that represents His death.

    Matthew's account has some more details;

    "27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins" (chapter 26)

    It is very clear from this, that Judas is also included in the "many" for whom Jesus died. This is also admitted to by John Calvin, where commenting on the same words in Mark's Gospel (14:24), says;

    "Which is shed for many. By the word many he means not a part of the world only, but the whole human race; for he contrasts many with one; as if he had said, that he will not be the Redeemer of one man only, but will die in order to deliver many from the condemnation of the curse."

    It is also very interesting to read what two reformed commentators say on the passage in Luke's Gospel:

    Matthew Henry,

    "By placing this after the institution of the Lord’s supper, though in Matthew and Mark it is placed before it, it seems plain that Judas did receive the Lord’s supper, did eat of that bread and drink of that cup; for, after the solemnity was over, Christ said, Behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table."

    John Gill

    "From Luke's account it appears most clearly, that Judas was not only at the passover, but at the Lord's supper, since this was said when both were over"

    If, as some argue, that Jesus Christ did not shed His blood for anyone who has gone to hell, then this passage in Luke is incorrect, as it very clearly says that Jesus testifies that He DID shed His blood for Judas, who is called in the Bible, "the son of destruction". Note what Jesus says on the fate of Judas:

    "While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled" (John 17:12)

    Also, we read of Judas in Acts 1:25, "to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.”

    Peter in his Second Epistle also says, "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction" (2:1). Which shows that there are those for whom Jesus shed His blood, that have ended up in eternal punishment.

    It is important to note, that had Jesus not wished to include Judas in His death on the cross, then He would have waited for Judas to have left the room, which was not much later, and then said these words. However, Jesus, Who, as God Incarnate, knowing full well that Judas was about to betray Him, and that Judas would not be going to heaven for his treachery, made sure that Judas was not only present, but actually did take the bread and wine, that represent Jesus' death on the cross. Moreover, Jesus speaks the same words recorded above, in the hearing of Judas.
     
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    Jesus Saved His people from their sins, because Jesus is The Savior.
     
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    It should not be noteworthy that Jesus laid down His life as a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved. Christ's death provides the means of salvation for all humankind, but only those God alone puts into the body of Christ receive the salvation Christ made provision for.
     
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    requires "repentance and faith" (Mark 1:15) from the sinner
     
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    "requires" = Saved by merit...
     
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    Right, God lacks the authority and power and sovereignty to put a person into the body of Christ. Got it....

    Folks, for the umpteenth time, salvation does not depend on the man that wills or runs, but upon God alone, Romans 9:16.

    Folks, for the umpteenth time, faith is according to grace, and therefore is not according to works of merit. Romans 4:16

    Do not get sidetracked with non-biblical nonsense.
     
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    Do you believe Judas was saved? I believe Satan entered into to Judas at this supper. That he not being saved and taking part in the last supper is the ultimate causing him to kill himself. Some say that communion by a lost one can cause that one to die an untimely death.
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    I believe you have this backwards since it is grace that comes through faith
    I know you may think you are right but not according to Eph. 2:8-9

    You should watch what you say as well. Sometimes ego inflames us all.
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    Judas did NOT take the Lord's Supper. Growing up with Jewish family, I do know how Passover works. Bear with me as I give a short tutorial and dispel faulty logic.

    FIRST you have beginning of the seder, with the great sh'ma, tasting symbolic items, wine, etc - Judas was THERE

    THEN you have the MEAL break of the ceremony in the middle of the seder; not the ceremony but a feast! - Judas was there for part of the meal portion it, then LEFT
    "It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.
    "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him, but no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him. Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the Feast, or to give something to the poor.
    As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And it was night.
    (Jn 13:26-30)

    THEN you have the dessert - the afikomen (hidden middle/broken piece of matzoh) - Judas was GONE
    This moment is when Jesus instituted the bread of the Lord's Supper
    Mt 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

    THEN you have the 3rd cup - cup of redemption - Again, Judas was GONE
    This moment, after all had been eaten, is when Jesus instituted the wine of the Lord's Supper
    Mt 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
    1Co 11:25 In the same way also he took the cup, after the meal, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."

    THEN you have final words, final sip of wine for Elijah, and singing of Hallel Psalms - Judas was still GONE
    Mt 26:30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

    THEN on to the Garden and Judas comes for the betrayal/arrest - Judas was THERE
     
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    Without repentance (a changed mind) there can never be the [new] faith.

    Christ died to be Lord of all, Romans 14:9, Philippians 2:6-11. To be both Judge, but rather Savior, Romans 8:34.
     
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    Hogwash, name one claim I make that is not biblical!!! I am so tired of false charges, with nothing to back them up.
    I do not have it backwards, faith provides our access to the grace in which we stand, so our faith comes before saving grace.
    You claimed my view was the opposite of my view. yet another false charge with nothing to back it up.
     
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    Thank you. That is eye opening information.

    peace to you
     
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    Those are His own, the elect chosen to be found in Christ!
     
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    All humankind are not elect.
     
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    Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
    MB
     
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    True, only the ones chosen and predestined by God the father are!
     
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    Y1 continues to assert unbiblical fiction, devoid of any support in scripture.
    Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved.
    No one was "predestined" to be saved, but those saved are then predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ and to our future redemption of our bodies at Christ's second coming.
     
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    Guess Romans 8 not inspired then, eh?
     
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    Romans 8 supports the biblical view and provides no support whatever for you bogus claims.

    Who did Christ shed His blood for? All humankind, 1 Timothy 2:6.

    Who is predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son? Those redeemed by His foreknown plan of redemption. Romans 8:29

    When will the redeemed be "adopted?" At Christ's second coming, Romans 8:23.
     
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    It looks like the Lord and Paul disagrees with you on that!
     
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