You evidently didn't read the last post.
Jesus is Israel. How so?
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by 1689Dave, Oct 30, 2019.
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“And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” Romans 11:23 (KJV 1900)
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““Moses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren; to Him you shall give heed to everything He says to you. ‘And it will be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’” Acts 3:22–23 (NASB95)
“remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.” Ephesians 2:12 (NASB95)
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The Church is SPIRITUAL Israel. The Jews & other of Jacob's descendants are PHYSICAL Israel, plain-n-simple. And obviously, they're still full of unbelievers. However, Paul said they could be grafted into God's kingdom all-the-more-readily.
Your denial of physical Israel is ridiculously-false in the face of Scripture. As I said, you seemta believe only those passages which suit you. -
“Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:” Ephesians 2:11–16 (KJV 1900) -
church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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When Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross, nothing remained to make one a physical member of Israel, or a physical biblical Jew. Today's "Jews" are gentiles who practice Talmudic Judaism which Jesus condemned as practicing the traditions instead of obeying Moses. -
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I don't see the point of saying that today's Jerusalem and Israel are not the Biblical one since the I know Scripture is complete. The Romans destroyed Israel in 70 AD and dispersed the Jews into slavery so that with the subsequent fall of Rome for their perfidy against the Jews, time led the Jews throughout the gentile world and rendered Israel as a wilderness wasteland.
No matter what you yourself call them, they still have a rendezvous with destiny because they are the chosen people, the prodigal son. Ezekiel 20:34-45 says God is going to bring them together from all of the nations and talk to them face-to-face. God has called them from the 4 corners of the earth and placed them right back where they started and He is going to open up a pool to clean them up to make them see what they have done and how they cannot run away. God is not going to break his promise which not only was given to Abraham but even Adam and Eve were not abandoned after their sin, as you know.
Jerusalem is a cup of trembling.
Jews and gentiles have not traded places. There is more to being a Jew than circumcision. God brought the dispersed Jews back to the wilderness of modern day Israel in 1948 after the Germans tried to murder everyone of them and then Stalin was embarking on the same course when he dropped dead. Then the Muslims attacked Israel.
Replacement theology overlooks the fact that God is going to bring the Jews back to the promised land and straighten them out and clean them up. If gentiles think that they want to be dispersed to the heathen, they are mucho loco because are only grafted in. -
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church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Don't you concede that after 70 AD there was a diaspora of Jews throughout the world and out of Israel forced by the nazi-like Romans? And I agree that many Jews, especially in America are just leftist secularist and not much account.
I don't see how you can say that the Jews who escaped the holocaust, where Jews were murdered for being Jews, and then were brought back to the promised land by God are not Jews since the Germans clearly identified them as Jews. Who do you say died in the holocaust if not Jews?
And how do you define this OT verse? Ezekiel 20:34-35 (KJV) And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Now you are wrong about the Temple because the veil was torn into two sections and the Temple is null and void and Christians do not go to Temples but Churches, so I do not understand you there at all.
Armageddon is defined in the NT very clearly and it is not an attack on the church at all. It is a specific place in Israel, which is not a Christian country. Revelation 16:16 (KJV) And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. -
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I, and others , have patientlyshown you Scripture and history PROVING the Jewish people of today are Israelis, and that God has promised to restore both physical Judah & Israel. But yet you still insist they're not Israelis !
I'm gonna leave you to waller in your own monkeyshines for awhile. -
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I think you have taken the rhetoric a bit far. -
church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I asked you 6 quetions and you never even answered 1 or even tried. I see a great future for you in politics. :Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao -
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Remember, God told Zeke the dry bones represented the WHOLE House of Israel, not just the Jews. So far, He has restored only most of the Jews to their own land, & none of the rest of Israel.
And "Armageddon" will be where the antichrist's army comes to try to fight against the returned Jesus. Won't muchuva battle, as Jesus will destroy that army with His spoken word, while casting the antichrist & the false prophet alive into the lake of fire.
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