Jesus wasn't KJV-Only :)

btw... In case you think I've done this with blinders on I've searched yours out too!... Brother Glen

[ July 12, 2002, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]

 

That's nice.

But back to the subject at hand: Which is the "only" "word of God": Isa 61:1-2 as it stands in the KJV or Isa 61:1-2 as Christ read it?

Which will you defend: the KJV, or KJV-onlyism?

Brian

[ July 12, 2002, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: BrianT ]

 

Well lets take a look at them both now shall we!

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

I personally don't see the problem... We have to different writers Isaiah and Luke writing by prophecy what the Lord directed them to do. Unless you don't believe what Isaiah and Luke wrote was according to the unction of the Holy Ghost?... What is the question?... Brother Glen :confused:

 

You are making the assumption that just because Isaiah said one thing Luke had to say the same thing?... Give me a break!... There is no argument! They are both the Word of God... One of a prophecy to come the other by the fulfillment of it... Brother Glen :rolleyes:

[ July 12, 2002, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]

 

OK, let's try this yet again, slowly :eek: :

Luke recorded what Christ read, what was written in Isaiah. What was written in Isaiah that Christ read is *different* than what is written in Isaiah in the KJV. Do you not see? Christ did not read from the book of Luke. Christ read from the book of Isaiah. I am not saying Isaiah must match Luke. I'm asking about Isaiah matching Isaiah. Which rendering of Isaiah 61:1-2 is "the word of God": the one Christ read (and called "scripture"), or the KJV?

Christ read a passage from Isaiah that does not match the KJV. He then called it scripture.

Again, this is not a criticism of the KJV! Think carefully about this! I am not "attacking" the KJV. I am showing where the *KJV* is "attacking" KJV-onlyism. Again, are you going to defend KJV-onlyism, or the KJV?

Brian

 

I see no difference... They both are!... Brother Glen

 

The differences are highlighted in the first post of this thread.

Really? I actually agree. But things that are different are not the same, and KJV-onlyism is about "only"ism. "Both" is not compatible with "only". If what Christ read is the "word of God", why does the KJV deviate from it? Glen, you can't have it both ways.

 

Brian, I think you'll find Glen to be very reasonable in his posts.

 

Yes, generally he is. But he can't decide if he wants to defend KJV-onlyism or not. :D

 

Brian the only reason i say that is because the scriptures say it also... I don't assume nothing!

II Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Now you explain to me what is ALL scripture? Is ALL scripture what God says it is or what we say it is?... There is no middle ground!... Brian you said I can't have it both ways but you are mistaken I can. I am KJV and KJV only but even those who are of the KJV onlyism could not not possibly understand our position and wouldn't believe it if we told them... I do not take my positional stand lightly but historically and we preach nothing but the KJV!... Brother Glen

 

Now before we go any further give me a definition of those of the KJV and those of the KJV only!... You seem to see a separation between these where I see none... Give me an example of the two or have you already done that?... Brother Glen :confused:

 

Yes, yes. No one can possibly understand your position. Alrighty then.

 

??????? Just when I think I'm making progress.

The KJV is a Bible. It was printed in 1611. A copy sits on my shelf, and probably sits on yours. We read it, you can hold it in your hand.

KJV-onlyism is a concept. It is the idea that "only" the KJV is the word of God. It does not sit on a shelf.

 

Brian said:

I'm sure we can find more that one scripture that Jesus Christ refered to as a fulfillment of prophecy from the Old Testament that wasn't verbatim. Looks to me like you need to talk to God as ALL scripture is given by him. Like the scripture say the hidden things belong to God and the revealed things belong to man. You brethren need to take the written word as it is and quit trying to dissect it to fit your doctrine. Like I said I believe the KJV is the written inspired Word Of God. I'm not asking you to believe it but I do!... Brother Glen

 

Brian said:

Well I believe that also but it does sit on a shelf. I've seached the KJV and its history for years and it is not just a concept... It's a reality!... I'm not saying this to convince anyone as you read what version you want but for thirty five years I've been a deep seeker of truth and for me to say that the KJV is not thee undisputed, undeniable, Word Of God. Would be to tell God he never preserved his word and he is a liar because he said he would!... William Tyndale burning at the stake prayed... "GOD OPEN THE EYES OF THE KING OF ENGLAND"... The KJV was bought with martyrs blood! Now you know where I got my screen name and I don't take it lightly!... Brother Glen

 

"Satan will spare NO effort trying to destroy God's Word; thus, we are COMPELLED to spare no effort to preserve it, regardless of ALL cost and for me, God's Word IS the KJBible."

 

Glen,
I hear you friend. But surely there is a difference between those who are KJV preferred and KJVO, particularly the rabid, liberal, KJVO heretics of the Ruckman, Riplinger, et. al. type

 

BCV?

 

True, that's why you see all the attacks on the mvs that are solid.

 

particularly the rabid, liberal, KJVO heretics[TV]

Sir, the only attacks I have seen have come from those of whom I should respect...