Joel does it again

[Christos doulos]

The Lord said if a man looks on a woman to lust for her he has already committed adultery in his heart....

My friend "looks" being the operative word

 

[freeatlast]

My friend "looks" being the operative word

You need to understand the Greek word translated look as it is not limited to seeing;

1) to see, discern, of the bodily eye
a) with the bodily eye: to be possessed of sight, have the power of seeing
b) perceive by the use of the eyes: to see, look descry
c) to turn the eyes to anything: to look at, look upon, gaze at
d) to perceive by the senses, to feel
e) to discover by use, to know by experience
2) metaph. to see with the mind's eye
a) to have (the power of) understanding
b) to discern mentally, observe, perceive, discover, understand
c) to turn the thoughts or direct the mind to a thing, to consider, contemplate, to look at, to weigh carefully, examine
3) in a geographical sense of places, mountains, buildings, etc. turning towards any quarter, as it were, facing it

 

[Christos doulos]

You need to understand the Greek word translated look as it is not limited to seeing;

1) to see, discern, of the bodily eye
a) with the bodily eye: to be possessed of sight, have the power of seeing
b) perceive by the use of the eyes: to see, look descry
c) to turn the eyes to anything: to look at, look upon, gaze at
d) to perceive by the senses, to feel
e) to discover by use, to know by experience
2) metaph. to see with the mind's eye
a) to have (the power of) understanding
b) to discern mentally, observe, perceive, discover, understand
c) to turn the thoughts or direct the mind to a thing, to consider, contemplate, to look at, to weigh carefully, examine
3) in a geographical sense of places, mountains, buildings, etc. turning towards any quarter, as it were, facing it

My friend. I know all that. One can sin in their thoughts.

 

[Christos doulos]

I am afraid that you, as well as many in the church, have bought into the modernism of today and you are trying to separate something that is not able to be separated. Gay is not the opposite of heterosexual. Gay is a mind set from unnatural lust brought on by a sinful heart. The Lord said if a man looks on a woman to lust for her he has already committed adultery in his heart. The same applies in this case. Both homosexual and gay are the same thing and both are sin stemming from inward lusts. One does not have to carry out the sin in action to make it any less a sin.

My friend. Christians who have the righteousness of Christ who fight their tendencies are repentant of their sin; whereas people who practice their sinful tendencies are celebrating their sin.

 

[freeatlast]

My friend. Gay Christians who have the righteousness of Christ who fight their tendencies are repentant of their sin; whereas gay people who practice homosexaulity are celebrating their sin.

There is no such thing as gay christians.
You are trying to create a whole new category of people. The bible disagrees with you. Such WERE some of you, not such are some of you.

 

[evangelist6589]

A quote Osteen would love!

I bet Joel Osteen would love this quote. But since he is afraid of "offending people" and is himself a coward (if he is saved) he will always try to please the ungodly culture in his preaching.

Too many believers today lack the courage of the disciples in Acts 5. They avoid telling others about Jesus or revealing their faith because they dread the repercussions. And they do not stand for morality and truth in our country because they do not wish to be seen as religious zealouts..Like the disciples we must fight unrighteousness by proclaiming the salvation that is given to us freely through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ (Dr. Charles Stanley, Turning the Tide, 228).

 

[Jedi Knight]

Joel says he "doesn't think God categorise sin". Is that another way to dumb down his answer to the serious question?:saint:

 

[Amy.G]

Joel says he "doesn't think God categorise sin". Is that another way to dumb down his answer to the serious question?:saint:

Is it even possible to "dumb down" Joel Osteen? :laugh:

 

[Salty]

Joel says he "doesn't think God categorise sin". Is that another way to dumb down his answer to the serious question?:saint:

A person murders someone - yes that is a sin
A person tells a "white" lie- yes that is a sin

Rom 3:23 - For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Apparently Joel is right - any sin condemns us to Hell.

I suppose I would expound on that answer, but...

 

[Jedi Knight]

Is it even possible to "dumb down" Joel Osteen? :laugh:

That was a good one Amy!:thumbs:

 

[jaigner]

There is no such thing as gay christians.
You are trying to create a whole new category of people. The bible disagrees with you. Such WERE some of you, not such are some of you.

So there are no Christians in otherwise improper relationships? There are no Christians who are gluttons? There are no

The Scripture you allude to is referring to a profound heart change, not mere behavioral patterns. It's a part of the already-not yet nature of inaugurated eschatology. At the point of conversion we are radically changed, but the full ramifications of that change are not realized right away.

Therefore, we can be converted and still struggle with many of the temptations that previously had a hold on us.

If to be Christian was to never, ever act sub-Christian, then none of us would be.

 

[Salty]

There is no such thing as gay christians.

I would say most Christians are very happy people.

Now a Christian who says he is a homosexaul is another story....