Christ died for the ungodly, for the well have no need for a physician
John 3:16
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by agedman, Nov 19, 2017.
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Is there any part in all of chapter 3 that would modify in any manner either the love or the gift by God for all creation (all under God’s control), as stated in John 3:16?
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Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. -
When He came, He took on Him the seed of Abraham, and that is whom He has redeemed. As Abraham is the father of the faithful, the faithful are his seed, the elect of every nation.
Anticipating your objections: No, it doesn't mean He has a beginning. It means that the Son's existence issues from the Father, not the Father's from the Son.
Neither does it mean that the Son is weaker than the Father. In nature and in glory and in power, He is His Father's equal in every way. In rank, though, He is second to the Father. Saying anymore than that is tantamount to explaining the Trinity.
It has nothing to do with the virgin birth. -
Christ as the second Adam, was from the seed of the first Adam. -
God gave His unique son
How was He uniqu?
What prophecy pertains specifically to the uniqueness of God’s Son?
The birth.
That is until the twentieth century. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
All live in Christ, the last Adam, all born from above seed of Abraham
Christ was not from adam....or he would have had sin....That was why the incarnation was supernatural -
Was Abraham from Adam?
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. -
And such were some of you:
After all, why did he give his only begotten? -
Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
There are several ways of answering this, but one is to point to John 3:16 and say, "This is how God has loved the world, and if you want to be eternally safe from all the disasters of the world, trust on Christ." -
Or, was Abraham selected from among all the first Adam heritage through Noah, just as all believers are also selected by God but find their first estate as that of the first Adam through Noah?
Christ did not come in the "likeness of" Abraham, but in the likeness of Adam.
Election preceded Abraham, it actually preceded Adam.
Being "the seed of Abraham" is not something that is not also a part of the seed of Adam.
Being a "new creature" disposes of all earthly seed, and presents us as "like Him." -
Or, do you have the thinking that the Christ was not born, but given the endowment at some point following the birth such as; in the temple as a baby, or at the baptism?
Do you have the view that the Christ took on only the shape, but was not actually flesh and blood, that same flesh and blood that is found in every humankind as a result of Adam "knowing" Eve? -
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Seed of Abraham.....teknon -
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34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. -
Perhaps you have it reversed?
Abraham was the start of all the select group of believers, a select group born by the Spirit. A group in which Christ is the "first fruits" even before Abraham. -
Iconoclast Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
In the Covenant of Redemption Jesus is the Elect Servant of the Lord.All the promises of the "seed" who was to come are fulfilled In Him.
As the covenant of grace is progressively revealedGen3:15, Gen 12,
the promise is passed on to Abraham. All of the seed was sure before the world was, but it is fully revealed in time.
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: -
Just as the Nicene Creed states:
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
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