Are you talking about sexual lusts? (Usually when people say that unless one has a sin nature he can't be tempted they're speaking of sexual lusts.)
John 3:16
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by agedman, Nov 19, 2017.
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Dr. Knight is a sound N.T. scholar, theologian, preacher and more! He's an ordained minister of the OPC. -
I am not the only Protestant that certainly repudiates your statement that he "was off in left field most of the time."
He was on the mark, for the most part --70%-75% of the time.
I will list a number of Baptists who appreciate him and his ministry:
Piper, Dever, Mohler, George, Schreiner, Carson, Haykin, Bridges (dec.), Henry (dec)
Now some non-Baptists who value his work and ministry:
Sproul, Beeke, Duncan, Bray, Trueman, Horton, Ferguson, Helm, Pipa, Warfield (dec.), Boice (dec.). -
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"Regarding the gospel, they are enemies for your advantage, but regarding election, they are loved because of the patriarchs, since God’s gracious gifts and calling are not to be regretted. As you once disobeyed God, but now have received mercy through their disobedience, so they too have now disobeyed, resulting in mercy to you, so that they also now may receive mercy. For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all" (Romans 11:28-32)
In chapters 9-11 Paul is addressing the issue of the Jews, who were the original "people of God", and the Gentiles, to whom, God in His infinite Mercy, opened up the way for them to be saved. The whole world is made up of two "types", the Jews and the Gentiles. If you are not the one, then you are the other. The Bible in many places teaches the widness of God's love for all of mankind, but, not only so, as the Apostle Paul says: "This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who would have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4). Read verses 1 and 2 and you will see who these ALL are. There is no way that this can be limited to only the "elect". In the previous chapter we find another great verse, "Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief" (15). Again, apart from personal "theology" on one would ever restrict the use of "world" to the "elect" only, as the entire world are sinners and not just the elect! -
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http://evangelicalarminians.org/wp-...the-Atonement-in-the-Early-Church-Fathers.pdf -
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Please look at the Scripture references that I have given before replying. -
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“Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive. Because he considers and turns away from all the transgressions which he committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. Yet the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ O house of Israel, is it not My ways which are fair, and your ways which are not fair?
“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,” says the Lord God. “Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin. Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. “Therefore turn and live!” (verses 25-32)
This passage alone very clearly speaks to any honest mind, that God's Mercy in saving sinners is without any doubt, for the entire human race! I cannot understand how anyone can honestly think that God only has a few in mind when He spoke these words from the heart! Theology aside, any "limitation" placed on the Atoning work of Jesus Christ, is, in my opinion, one of the biggest heresies that certain people of the Church have dared to put forward! They have changed the force of the entire Gospel of Jesus Christ, which is for the salvation of each and every sinner, into a farce of "elitism" whereby only a "few" are deemed "worthy" of this eternal life! True, ALL will not be saved, but this is NOT because of any deficiency in the Atonement of Jesus Christ, but the blatant refusal of hardened sinners (as we were once) to repent and believe in this Wonderful Gospel Message! As Jesus Himself tells the rebellious Jews of His day, "you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life" (John 5:40), not as some have twisted its plain meaning, to, "could not will", which is NOT what the Greek says here! Note Jesus' words, "not willing", showing that ALL have "free will", to "will" (accept), or "not will" (reject).. The fact that Jesus tells these Jews this (see context), is further evidence that He would have died also for them! -
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We both hold that the blood was shed for all.
However, none of the limited atonement controversy effects the doctrines of grace in other areas such as predestination, election, depravity, preservation ...
Some think that if they can find a weakness in a single area, the rest will collapse as if each supports the other.
Such is not the case. Each statement of the doctrines of grace are stand alone and can be discussed and validated without regard to the others. -
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I believe the Atonement (not the Death - different subject) is sufficient for all persons at all times. But it is efficient ONLY for Believers.
If you disagree with that, do you believe the Atonement is efficient for unbelievers, and there will, therefore, be unbelievers in Heaven?
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