Sure there is.......it had the word water in it. :rolleyes:
John 3:5 does not require (or even speak about) Baptism for Salvation (The Other Denom, Edition)
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Reformed1689, Nov 3, 2019.
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I'm sorry if you don't like proof. I'm sorry if the ECF sometimes contradicted themselves. That's why they aren't Scripture. -
And we’ve already discussed the Thief on the cross. He is the exception.
Here’s a little advice for you: NEVER base your doctrines on the exception. Baptism is the NORM – but he was unable to do it – not unwilling.
Rom. 10:9 states that we must “confess with our mouth” that Christ is Lord in order to be saved.
What if you are a mute? What if you have no tongue?
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Nicodemus: How does a guy get born again? Does he go back inside his mother?
Jesus: Unless you are born of water and spirit you can’t be saved. Flesh is physical birth. I’m talking about SPIRITUAL birth.
YOU would have us believe that the conversation went like THIS:
Nicodemus: How does a guy get born again? Does he go back inside his mother?
Jesus: Unless you are physically born, you can’t be saved. Flesh is physical birth. I’m talking about SPIRITUAL birth
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Scripture is so crystal-clear on this:
2 Thess. 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught – EITHER BY and ORAL STATEMENT – OR BY a LETTER from us.
There is NO expiration date on 2 Thess. 2:15 . . .
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No limits are placed on God's mercy. Instead we reject meritorious human action as the means by which God is spurred to act with grace.
Baptism does not save. If the act/ceremony of baptism saved, then salvation is not by God's grace. Salvation would be caused by human works. Such a thought is anathema to the person who was chosen by God by no merit of his own doing.
Maryson, there is much at stake by refuting your false interpretation of John 3:5.
The very nature of God's grace being the sole means of salvation (Ephesians 2:1-10) is undermined and abandoned by your view. Your view teaches a legalistic works salvation, which Paul says is anathema in his letter to the Galatians. -
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This false idea that we do absolutely NOTHING for our salvation is anti-Scriptural.
God’s grace is what saves us – but His grace has NO AFFECT on us without our cooperation. The Scriptures are CLEAR on this fact.
This is why of ALL of the Christian virtues we possess – LOVE is the greatest – not faith. Love requires our cooperation.
Galatians 5:6 clearly states:
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Grace is only grace when God does it regardless of our agreement to it or not. We don't control God. If we did, we would be supreme and God would be our genie.
Second, the Bible is very clear that humans, by nature are rebels against God. We will never cooperate with God when he demands to be supreme and we demand to be supreme. (Read Romans 3 as a primer) We will not seek God. We will hide like Adam and Eve. We will not cooperate. God must choose to give us life in Christ. We can do nothing to stop God's supreme choice. The Bible is clear.
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Virtually EVERY Early Church Father who has written on the subject states that this was a Tradition handed down to them by the Apostles themselves, yet MOST Protestant sects reject Infant Baptism.
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We are NOT forced to comply with God’s grace. It is a gift that is freely accepted – or freely rejected.
Picking up our cross daily requires our cooperation.
You don't get to sneak into Heaven without doing His will.
Matt. 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY the one who DOES THE WILL of my Father in heaven. -
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