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John Calvin :Man Of The Millennium
Discussion in 'History Forum' started by Rippon, Apr 27, 2013.
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Bro. James Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Worldwide fact: Mankind is depaved--totally. The best of our righteousness is filthy rags.
Jesus is the only one worthy of lifting up; yet we have a rabid case of respect of persons.
Come out of nominal christianity and follow Jesus, The Christ, The Son of the Living God.
Jon Chauvin was a pedobaptist heading up a state religion--completely contrary to Jude 3.
Are there any Real Baptists left out there? Fall in--before Jesus.
Peace,
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The Libertines were in charge. Thay were Calvin's enemies. Calvin did not want Servetus burned. A more merciful form of execution,beheading is what he argued for. Calvin was essentially called soft for this.
John Calvin insisted that his men use green wood for the fire because it burned slower.
You show little to no discernment. The website you gleaned your article from is terrible. It is filled with the vitrol and falsehoods.
You hate Calvin for reasons that disregard facts. You also seem to hate me. But Christians are called upon to love their brothers and sisters. Your venom is very apparent. It's not healthy;nor is it spiritual.
Facts are inconvenient things it was said by J.C.Ryle. It gets in the way of things. You imbibe non-truths. But you can't alter history. If you sincerely believe the things contained in the article. It is a pity. You are completely in the wrong and yet exposing your error to many.
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Calvin was a despot and murderer.
"The outstanding work of Calvin, from a practical point of view, was his municipal dictatorship in the city of Geneva. The literature on the subject is exhaustive. Striking instances of discipline in Geneva are these:
A man was banished from the city for three months because he heard an ass bray and said jestingly, "He prays a beautiful Psalm."
Three men who had laughed during a sermon were imprisoned for three days.
Three children were punished because they remained outside of a church to eat some cakes.
A child was whipped publicly for calling his mother a thief.
A girl who struck her parents was beheaded.
A person was imprisoned for four days because he wanted to call his child Claude (the name of a Catholic saint) instead of Abraham.
It can be seen from the above that many of the persecutions which John Calvin endured were not for "well doing" (1 Peter 2:15): they were for carrying on like a fool engaged in trying to "bring in his Kingdom."
In Geneva, a secret police was forged under the name of The Consistory. Every home was compulsorily examined and searched. The City was divided into districts and committees of the Consistory were empowered to search and interrogate all residents without previous notice. Attendance at public worship was commanded and watchmen were directed to see that people went to church. The one thing that Calvin did not endorse was religious liberty.
From 1541 to 1546, John Calvin caused 58 people to be executed and seventy six were exiled. His victims ranged in age from 16 to 80. The most common capital offense was the opposition to infant baptism. Today, baptism only for accountable believers, is a Baptist distinctive. In Calvin's time it was punished either by drowning, a drawn out and slow burning at the stake, or beheading. All this was done in public, with city residents compelled to watch the butchery. The executions were spaced out so as to exert a continuing policy of fear and terror. Others were killed for advocating local church autonomy; opposing the tie-in of church and state: and preaching that Christ died for all sinners (unlimited atonement). Press censorship continued in Geneva until the eighteenth century.
THE KILLING OF MICHAEL SERVETUS
It is Servetus' religious views that we are now concerned with, for that is what got him killed. He was premillennial and rejected Calvin's doctrine of predestination. So far so good. Servetus was also strongly anti-Catholic. He referred to the Mass as "a Satanic monstrosity and an invention of demons." To these sentiments the Reformers could agree. So what was the problem with Servetus? His trouble was twofold: rejection of infant baptism and holding unorthodox views of the Trinity.
According to Servetus, infant baptism was "a doctrine of the Devil, an invention of popery, and a total subversion of Christianity." He wrote two letters to Calvin on adult baptism and exhorted him to follow his example. The marginal, notes against infant baptism that Servetus wrote in Calvin's Institutes were used as evidence against him during his trial. Servetus admitted at his trial that he had referred to infant baptism as a "diabolical invention and infernal falsehood destructive of Christianity." Regarding the Trinity, Servetus was not a Unitarian but had a strange view of the Trinity in a great measure peculiar to himself. Now although Servetus' Trinitarian views were not orthodox; they were by no means criminal. Calvin wrote in a letter, "Servetus lately wrote to me... He takes it upon him to come hither, if it be agreeable to me. But I am unwilling to pledge my word for his safety, for if he shall come, I shall never permit him to depart alive, provided my authority be of any avail."
While in Geneva, Servetus made the mistake of attending church on Sunday where he was recognized and arrested. It was on Calvin's information to the magistracy that Servetus was put in prison, which fact Calvin did not deny. The trial lasted over two months and Calvin himself drew up a document of thirty-nine accusations against Servetus.
On the way to the stake, Servetus besought God to pardon his accusers. On account of the use of green oak-wood, Servetus suffered for half an hour. His last words were: "Jesus Christ, thou Son of the eternal God, have mercy on me!" At twelve noon on October 27, 1553, Servetus passed into his eternal destiny. Nine years afterward, Calvin still justified his actions.
The strongest recorded statement from Calvin on the Servetus affair is a 1561 letter from Calvin to the Marquis Paet, high chamberlain to the King of Navarre, in which he says intolerantly:
"Honour, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains; but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels, who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
The respected Lutheran historian, Mosheim (1694-1755), judged in favor of Servetus. The historian Gibbon remarked: "he was more deeply scandalized at the single execution of Servetus than at the hecatombs which have blazed in the Auto da Fes of Spain and Portugal. The zeal of Calvin seems to have been envenomed by personal malice, and perhaps envy."
A man who would burn another man at the stake for disagreeing with him doctrinally is not a man to be emulated or followed or admired." -
Documentation please.
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And with all the hatred you have shown me in the past to the present,along with your detestation of Calvin...may I remind you that harboring hatred in your heart amounts to murder. You do believe in the binding authority of the content of the Sermon on the Mount;don't you? -
Dr.Philip Vollmer quotes Dr. Valentine Andreae. He was a German Lutheran and not in favor of Calvinism shall we say? He visited Geneva in 1610,almost 50 years after Calvin's death.
"When I was in Geneva,I observed something great which I shall remember and desire as long as I live. There is in that place not only the perfect institute of a perfect republic,but as a special ornament,a moral discipline,which makes weekly investigations into the conduct,and even the smallest transgressions of the citizens,first through the district inspectors,then through the seniors,and finally through the magistrates,as the nature of the offence and the hardened state of the offender may require. All cursing,gambling,luxury,strife,hatred,fraud,etc.,are forbidden,while greater sins are hardly heard of. What a glorious ornament of the Christian religion is such a purity of morals! We must lament with tears that it is wanting with us,and almost totally neglected. If it were not for the difference of religion,I would have forever been chained to that place by the agreement in morals,and I ever since tried to introduce someting like it into our churches. No less distinguished than the public discipline was the domestic discipline of my landlord,Sarron,with its daily devotions,reading of the Scriptures,the fear of God in word and deed,temperance in meat and drink and dress. I have not found greater purity of morals even in my father's home." (175,176) -
The author is not unknown. I simply chose to quote only part of the article, as some of it might be inflammatory to my Calvinist friends here. I am strongly opposed to Calvinism but not to Calvinists, generally speaking.
The article used the following as reference material:
REFERENCES:
1. Christianity Through The Centuries by Earle Cairns, Zondervan Publishing House.
2. History of Calvin and Calvinism by Zygmund Dobbs.
3. Predestined for Hell? No! by Dr. John R. Rice, c 1958, Sword of the Lord Foundation, Murfreesboro, Tenn.
4. Hyper Calvinism by Dr. Peter S. Ruckman c 1984, published in Pensacola, Florida.
5. The Other Side of Calvinism by Laurence M. Vance, c 1991, Vance Publications.
6. T-U-L-I-P by James R. Hood, Southland Bible Institute, Pikeville, Ky.
7. The History of the New Testament Church by Dr. Peter S. Ruckman c 1982, published in Pensacola, Florida.
8. Foreknowledge, Predestination & Election by Dr. Mark G. Cambron, printed by Seaside Mission, North Miami Beach, Florida.
9. What is Wrong with Five Point Calvinism? By Paul Freeman, published by Highways & Hedges Tracts, Liberty, So. Carolina.
Deny it a thousand times, but the facts are that Calvin was a state-church, persecuting, despotic murderer. If you want to idolize such a creature, you have a problem that only God can help you with. -
I will have to look up Dobbs,Hood,Freeman and Cambron. I am not expecting them to be any whit better than the others ones when it comes to this subject.
That is,with the grand exception of Cairns. -
You are pathetic. -
Hear,hear. -
I went through and showed you some of the false things in your article. A lie,is a lie,is a lie. You offered absolutely no documentation to verify the truthfulness of the "report."
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I wonder if it has crossed your mind that a number of famous Christians of the past and present have admired John Calvin and value his writings. They appreciate his godlines and scholarship and the endring quality of his good influence up on the Church universal.
Here is my personal roll call. It's not in alphabetical order,and the men sometimes spanned cenuries. It is not exhaustive.They all have regarded Calvin very highly. And if they have why can't a lowly worm as myself appreciate Calvin's standing under God?
16th Century
Farel,Beza,Viret,Peter Martyr,Bullinger,Knox
17th Century
Thomas Goodwin,Owen,Charnock,Turretin,Baxter and most of the Puritans.
18th Century
Edwards,Whitefield,Gill
19th Century
Spurgeon,Hodge,Cunningham,Rippon :laugh:
20th Century
Barnhouse,Warfield,Machen,Dr.M-L-J,Boice,A.W.Pink,Gordon Clark,Carl Henry
21 Century
MacArthur,Sproul,Dever,Piper,Packer,Horton, Al Mohler,David Wells
Are you going to charge them of operating under a false premise if words of appreciation for John Calvin comes from their sermons/commentaries/writings? -
Sat/Nep: You have severe spiritual immaturity. You will not accept correction. And why? Because of your pride. You hate what you want to think Calvin was. If anything goes against that central thesis then you refuse to concede even when truth is at stake.
I went through and showed you some of the false things in your article. A lie,is a lie,is a lie. You offered absolutely no documentation to verify the truthfulness of the "report."
I think they would be embarrassed at that intemperance you demonstrate on the BB. I also think they would also invoke some church discipline on you.
Review my previous post directed to you about your hatred toward me. You are guilty of murder according to the words of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount.[/QUOTE]
You are in dire need of reminders. -
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