I haven't read all of this thread, but I have lived in Murfreesboro, TN for nearly 27 years now. I was here often during my teen years since we came through here while on vacation, and our church went to the BRR for camp. I know that JRR WAS NOT KJVO, in spite of what others have said. He supported the ASV, I believe. I had personally heard him quote from it several times. I know many who knew him who have said the same thing, including one of his daughters who lived in Augusta, GA when my family moved there. She looked through a book of Christian Poetry I was writing and gave me some assistance on what areas I should develop and change. She told me her father was not a KJV only person, though he did greatly support the KJV. I believe the KJVO movement gained steam AFTER JRR passed away. I know that many people started to fall that ideology.
Now, as far as I can recall, and from all the messages I have on tape and in print of JH, he preached from the KJV. Most of the students I know who graduated from or attended HAC/FBCH stated that as far as they recalled, JH was KJVO. I know when he was preaching at MBBC (now MBU) in Watertown, Wisconsin while he was still on the board of the college, preached only from the KJV. I don't know if it was just for show, of if he really held that position.
John R Rice vs. Jack Hyles
Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by Truth Seeker, Apr 8, 2018.
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Here is a sample quote from JRR on the KJV: “The scholar and the preacher would do well to have the American Standard Version at hand and to consult it when necessary, but generally would do well, we think, to use the King James Version in the pulpit, in memory work, and in class teaching, since it is actually the translation of the mass of people. And the beauty of its language is not equaled in other translations, we think.” (Our God-Breathed Book—The Bible. Sword, 1969, p. 383.)
As for Jack Hyles, he was originally not KJVO. In his book from 1967, Let's Study the Revelation, Hyles not only clarified the KJV from the Greek, he even corrected the KJV! However, I've had several fundamentalist leaders tell me they felt Hyles changed after JRR died, and I believe that to be true. He definitely became a Ruckmanite after JRR died, as can be seen from several of his books. Sample quote: "This preacher [referring to himself] believes that those preserved words are in the Bible that I hold in my right hand at this very moment—the King James Bible. I have more respect for the person who says that one of the false Bibles contains the very words of God than for the person who says only the original contains the very words of God.” (Jack Hyles, Enemies of Soulwinning, Hyles Publications, 1993, p. 44). Thus in my view Hyles actually turned against his mentor and father-figure, John R. Rice. -
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Glad to make your acquaintance, too.
When it comes out, my biography of JRR will be available from On to Victory Press: John R. Rice: The Last Revivalist of the Twentieth Century | On to Victory Press -
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What caused a rift in the relationship at the end of Rice's life?
What did Rice write to Hyles in that case?
How did Hyles answer the first letter from Rice, and what did the second letter say?
Did Hyles change after the death of Rice?
How radical did Hyles get on the KJV issues?
What did Hyles send to First Baptist supported missionaries in the middle of his scandal?
What did Hyles think of Rice, his mentor and father figure, after some years had passed since Rice's death? -
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P. S. I have the books by Vic and Voyle also. Tell me more about the big bucks they are offering for those. :D (Just kidding.) -
As you know, I was at Miller Road when DH was “discovered.” The destruction of marriages and damage to the name of Christ was and is extremely problematic especially when FBC of Hammond has yet to publicly do what is right.
JH knew it all, and he perpetrated fraud by denying his son had problems when questioned by the pulpit committee. He lied over and over. Later covered up horrible sin, because how could he rebuke his children when they all knew he had taken another man’s wife!
John, I thank you for not going into the whole sordid mess. It is best though for I have not a single ounce of respect left for that man.
I want to add one small item.
JH problem did not start in Hammond. Prior to Hammond he was the pastor of Miller Road Baptist Church. He suddenly was called to Hammond. There were a few who knew they rest of the story. A man does not just one day scheme to take another man’s wife. Becoming involved with a married woman is the best way to keep things secrete.
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