Isn't ordaining lesbian women doctrine?
What PCA may claim in your confession is one thing the practices of the PCA is another entirely. (Ironic response)
Ohhh... are you starting to feel like a Catholic under attack? Welcome to our world.
John's Gospel & Epistles
Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Bro. Curtis, Feb 6, 2003.
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Tragic,
Is your Church c67 or subscriptionist? If it's PCUSA, it's most probably c67, I would think. -
"I know that if a person agrees with me on the One by whom we are saved, the rest is material for an interesting discussion, but as far as who is neccesarily right about a given interpretation upon Scripture, I will leave it to interpretation of original languages, the doctrine and teaching of the person's church, and above all the guidance of the Holy Spirit."
So you say.
The Catholic Church teaches that salvation is only through Christ.
Why then do you so stridently reject Tradition of the Church which Catholics believe to be supported by Scripture?
Also, if you sincerely mean the above, why are you so upset with the liberals in your church? Don't they agree with you on the One by whom we are saved? Ordained women lesbians in your church should then be for you merely material for an interesting discussion. </font>[/QUOTE]Answer to all of the above: the beliefs and practices are clearly unsupported by Scripture. Tradition does not now, nor has it ever, equalled the truth of Scripture. This is the error of the Pharisees, if you'll recall. And lesbians/homosexual ordination is not a position supported by the PC(USA) Book of Order. Any ordained lesbians received ordination by other than "legal" Presbyterian means.
Again, obfuscation. -
Like I said, your outdated Book of Order isn't in lilne with practice.
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At least it's an interpretation of Scripture,, and not a wholesale innovation plopped in place of Scripture.
Sorry, but that dog don't hunt.
Like I said, your outdated Book of Order isn't in lilne with practice.
BTW where can I find "Book of Order" in the Bible? [/QUOTE]
*sigh*
I recall that, recently, some women were ordained as Catholic priests. Who did that -- the RC leadership, or militants in opposition to the RC leadership?
There's your answer.
The specific parts of the B of O which deal with ordination of homosexuals are currently under fire in the PC(USA).
Again, you're obfuscating the discussion at hand. You want to discuss the practices of the PC(USA), make a thread, and if I'm interested, i may respond. All you're doing here is ignoring the actual discussion. -
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What is the RCC's position on when these books were written ?
"I believe, after a little study, that they were recorded between 85-95 A.D. I can't absolutely prove it, but I didn't see where a big argument ensued, like the arguments surrounding Hebrews, or 1&2 Peter.
Any ideas ? "
Try being honest with your opening posts, Curtis. There is NOTHING about Mary here. You introduced the Assumption later on. Or as you so lyingly call it, the "ascension."
God bless,
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The point was to try and get an honest answer on why John ommited your fable about Mary.
I didn't get the answer, but sure got a lot of info!!!
Mary rose to heaven. LOL. You guys will believe anything. -
Boy Curtis, you protestants will make up anything when it suits you.
Your original post was:
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But the best part is that in order to prove your point, or lack of one, you have to fabricate things. "Ommited"..."fable." Perhaps using these words makes you feel like you know what you're talking about, but in reality it shows that you don't know how to listen and that you are in general disrespectful of others beliefs. But, I think you are proud of that fact. After all, you hate the Catholic Church. That makes it okay to be rude, dishonest (in order to achieve honesty from us...what a novel idea THAT was), and make 1-3 sentence snide remarks instead of contributing to the dialogue.
If you wish to disagree, I have no problems with that. I have no problems with anyone disagreeing with me. I have a problem with people who don't read my posts and claim they don't have an answer to their questions. You see, your definition of an answer to your question is for the person to end up believing exactly as you do. When you realize who illogical this practice is, please chime in and let me know.
God bless you,
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Prove, Scripturally, that Mary was taken to Heaven.
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What you have to do is tell me why Mary's assumption goes AGAINST Scripture. What contradiction is present? What other theological belief of yours does it challenge?
God bless,
Grant -
Yes, I do believe God can do anything. That is what an all powerfull God is after all.
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There was a post on the BB about a year ago by one of the Catholics that no longer post on this board. They mentioned a church that was excavated some years back that dated back to the 2nd century that had a mural that depicted the assumption of Mary. I went away at the time and was not able to find out more information about this claim. Anyone know anything about this?
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What you have to do is tell me why Mary's assumption goes AGAINST Scripture. What contradiction is present? What other theological belief of yours does it challenge?
God bless,
Grant </font>[/QUOTE]The cult of Mary challenges several theological beliefs.
First, the sovereignty of God. Rather than a triune Godhead, Marian theology places a fourth individual (at least; I'm not counting the cult of saints yet) into the fray. We are asked to consecrate ourselves to her -- an action reserved only for the One who bought our salvation with His blood. We are told to ask her for intercession -- when her Son, Himself, directed us to pray directly to the Father in His name, and to use no other.
Second, the reliability of Scripture. Nothing in the canon suggests any previous assumption; certainly Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven without dying, but much is made of their holy life prior to this predeath translation. Mary, on the other hand, is noted for her willingness to submit to the will of God, her disbelief in her son's sanity at one point in the ministry of Jesus, and for being put under the care of the apostle John. Following this, we hear nothing more at all of Mary. Canon is sealed, and the only church at the time, the Catholic Church, is quite happy that the totality of Scriptural truth has been completed.
Without, to reiterate, a shred of Marian theology.
Only after the conversion of many Romans to Christianity by Constantine, and the settling of the Athenasian vs. Arian controversy, do we see Mary begin receiving attention. Only in the ninteenth century does this attention become a doctrine unto itself.
Third, dependence upon Christ as the Author and Finisher of our faith. He is somehow incomplete without Mary as the Queen of the Universe to aid Him in His saving work.
Fourth, the assumption of Mary smacks of Arian theology. Mary was "good enough" to be assumed. Can we be "good enough" to also receive this kind of blessing? Why or why not?
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Last I checked, God can share His authority with whomever He pleases. Did he not give Adam the authority over every living creature? Does this make God less of a God than before? Does it give Adam Godhead status? No, and no.
God bless,
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I can see we're getting into the "putting words in pizza-man's mouth" mode here.
Paul was speaking to LIVING PEOPLE.
The rest is proof that you didn't read my post for anything other than response fuel. Oh, well. I'll respond to the following, though:
It is a dangerous practice, this theology of developing what might have been in the holes. I strongly reccomend avoiding it. -
Pizza man
I don't have to worry about, though, because Christ instituted a Church that would be free from doctrinal error.
God bless,
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Free from doctrinal error. LOL. You guys will believe anything.
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Being free from doctrinal error isn't free. You pay for it with vigilance, and testing. See if it's born from above. It requires work.
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