Actually, I can argue with the substance, and I gave an example. His rant about the president being at fault for the WTC not being rebuilt was stupid. There's no other way to put it. It is not Bush's fault that the WTC wasn't rebuilt by five years after 9/11. That kind of thinking reminds us that stupidity still exists, as if we needed a reminder.
As I say I don't watch him enough to remember specifics. But his presentation makes me laugh. It is like a grade schooler trying to pick a fight with a high school who just walks on by like the kid doesn't exist. The grade schooler's friends think he's real tough; everyone else just rolls their eyes.
Keith Olberman on Bush's Escalation in Iraq
Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Jan 14, 2007.
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Originally Posted by 777
So, if Olbermann's not rebutted enough by carpro, it proves Olbermann's right on anything he says? Is that the game?
Face it, carpro is "the worst person in the world" now.
It is hard for most people to imagine the amount of disdain I hold for the likes of Olberman. The list is fairly short, but unless it's by accident, I neither read nor watch Olbermann, O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Franken, and Matthews.
Nothing other than an extremely biased opinion or some twisted version of the truth comes from any of them.
Olbermann is one of the worst. He spends more time on his hate than any of the others do. He practically snarls or drools everytime he says "Bush".
I try to spend as little time as possible paying attention to so called newsmen who are consumed by hate and depending on our fascination with it to get their twisted version of the truth across. -
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church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
BiR, you wrote, "Well, let's see: Iraq had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the attacks of 9/11, and there were no weapons of mass destruction as was claimed by this Administration. Yet Iraq posed a threat sufficient to justify an invasion. We are stuck there in a huge quagmire. Despite the claim of the Vice President, we are not seeing the last throes of the insurgency. We are apparently threatening Iran and Syria, despite our troops being spread too thin. Despite all this, the solution offered is to send more troops to an already bad situation."
"Yep, that sounds like a good plan to me......."
Let's look at the facts.
It is true that there is no public information that Iraq had anything to do with Nine Eleven. Who said that they did?
It was not just the GOP that said that there were WMDs in Iraq. Clinton and most Democrats were saying the same thing. Tenet is a Democrat and he claimed that also. Of course, it was a mistake to leave Democrats in high places when Bush was sworn in but Bush tried to placate the Democrats after Gore sued unsuccessfully over the election. Tenet should have been fired long before Nine Eleven and on Nine Twelve for sure.
We are not stuck in a quagmire. The American soldier is the greatest soldier in the history of the world. These savages that we are fighting can be destroyed easily if necessary. Roosevelt lost more men in one day several times during WW II than we have lost in all our time in Iraq.
Syria and Iran are part of the problem in Iraq and always have been. Our troops are spread thin because we do not withdraw them from Europe and because the West is in the process of committing suicide (Read Suicide of the West), BiR. We need to get serious about this situation and if necessary attack Syria and Iran. You blame Bush for sending in more troops but the levels are not any higher than they have been before. Also, Bush lost the election and part of the Democrat plan was to either put in more troops (safety in numbers--the Powell doctrine used in Gulf Storm) or cut and run. Ultimately, the Democrats seemed poised to campaign on cut and run in 2008 with a Mormon leading in the Senate and an ultra-leftist leading in the House. I tell you, BiR, you should pray for the President and the Vice-President because if they were unable to serve for whatever reason the Speaker of the House would be more communist than Fidel Castro and more looney than Hugo Chavez. Wake up and smell the latte! -
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Despite this, I trust that you and yours are doing well - the weather here is incredible,
BiR -
You really can't control the content of other people's posts, now can you?
"I would know more about that than you."
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church mouse guy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The problem with lefties like Pelosi is that they lie about their true plans for the USA. If they get their hands on power, they turn out like Carter or Clinton or worse.
As for the war and WMDs, it cannot evidently be repeated enough that Democrats gutted the CIA under Frank Church when they came to power after Watergate. Now they complain about the failures of Democrat holdover George Tenet, who was Bush's first mistake in that Tenet should have been fired right away on the first day of the Bush presidency, and the failures of even people such as the Clintons who said that Iraq had WMDs. Clinton probably was trying to detract from his personal failures and should not be listened to on matters of national security.
At any rate everyone in both parties thought there were WMDs. The fact that there were not is not a reason for withdrawal once we were in the middle of a war.
The Democrats have a history of not fulfilling commitments. One cannot promise the world that one will do this or that and then stop in the middle and go home. We did that in Korea under Truman and in Viet Nam under Johnson. The world already hates and mistrusts us because of what we did in Viet Nam when we withdrew and left tens of thousands to die in the following communist bloodbath. We cannot retreat again like Napoleon in Moscow. -
Silly cmg tricks are for kids....
CMG SAID"The Democrats have a history of not fulfilling commitments. One cannot promise the world that one will do this or that and then stop in the middle and go home. We did that in Korea under Truman and in Viet Nam under Johnson. The world already hates and mistrusts us because of what we did in Viet Nam when we withdrew and left tens of thousands to die in the following communist bloodbath. We cannot retreat again like Napoleon in Moscow."
A response visual to cmgs revisionists history:
:R.I.P
R.I.P.
Chief Architect
Now, I am not putting them down they showed moral courage in getting us out of a war that had turned into a nationalists cause to remove occupiers.
Our national interests took another strategy in taking down the Old Soviet Union with the ramp up of modern Defense technology and the Soviet Union collapsing on itself...sad it did not take China with it.(now Wal-mart props it up:smilewinkgrin: rumor is they are in negotiations to buy the great wall)
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All this Olbermann bashing lets be fair
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/13566/1/Countdown-Unstoppable.wmv/
Olberman is being fair and is pointing out bad performance that needs accountability...that simple and that obvious.
btw: Bolton just called it a "civil war"
bush has just messed up in Somalia for those who want to bash Clinton for his Sudan effort.
http://in.today.reuters.com/news/ne...R_RTRJONC_0_India-283320-1.xml&archived=False
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article2145150.ece
Somalia air raids hit nomads, 70 dead - Oxfam
NAIROBI (Reuters) - Air attacks against fugitive Islamists in south Somalia in recent days have mistakenly targeted nomadic herdsmen gathering round fires, killing 70, British-based aid agency Oxfam said on Friday.
"Under international law, there is a duty to distinguish between military and civilian targets," Oxfam added, citing its local partner organisations in Somalia for the information.
US strikes on Somalia 'missed target'
By Kim Sengupta
Published: 12 January 2007
The US air strike in Somalia missed its main target of three senior al-Qa'ida members, American officials admitted yesterday, as concern continued to grow over the rising numbers of casualties from the conflict.
A day after widespread publicity over claims that a "surgical" attack had killed Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, allegedly involved with the bombing of the US embassy in Nairobi, it emerged that neither he, nor two other suspects, Abu Taiha al-Sudani and Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, were among the dead.
my comment: and after these reports now they are shutting down the free press of outsiders...not surprised need to cover up incomptence at all costs.
Media crackdown in Somalia draws protests
By Sahal Abdulle
MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Somali government officials met on Tuesday with executives from four major news outlets shut down for "causing unrest" in a move drawing swift criticism from press watchdogs at home and abroad.
The closure of the outlets -- accused by the government of heightening tensions by airing unconfirmed reports -- came as martial law was declared across Somalia weeks after an Ethiopian-led military offensive ousted Islamists in the south. "Shutting down private media houses is the worst way to reconcile the Somali people and to bring the country out of these long periods of chaos," said Gabriel Baglo, Africa office director of the International Federation of Journalists.
"We condemn this unacceptable violation of press freedom."
http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...ONFLICT.xml&WTmodLoc=IntNewsHome_C1_[Feed]-10 -
Baptist in Richmond said:"I would know more about that than you."Click to expand...Click to expand...
Regards anyway,
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church mouse guy said:The problem with lefties like Pelosi is that they lie about their true plans for the USA. If they get their hands on power, they turn out like Carter or Clinton or worse.
As for the war and WMDs, it cannot evidently be repeated enough that Democrats gutted the CIA under Frank Church when they came to power after Watergate. Now they complain about the failures of Democrat holdover George Tenet, who was Bush's first mistake in that Tenet should have been fired right away on the first day of the Bush presidency, and the failures of even people such as the Clintons who said that Iraq had WMDs. Clinton probably was trying to detract from his personal failures and should not be listened to on matters of national security.
At any rate everyone in both parties thought there were WMDs. The fact that there were not is not a reason for withdrawal once we were in the middle of a war.
The Democrats have a history of not fulfilling commitments. One cannot promise the world that one will do this or that and then stop in the middle and go home. We did that in Korea under Truman and in Viet Nam under Johnson. The world already hates and mistrusts us because of what we did in Viet Nam when we withdrew and left tens of thousands to die in the following communist bloodbath. We cannot retreat again like Napoleon in Moscow.Click to expand...
As always, I very much enjoy your posts, and am always curious as to what you think. It's been a while since we have had an exchange.
I trust that you and yours are doing well out there in your beautiful city. I am eager to see that game in Indy this weekend.
Wishing God's Blessings to you,
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Baptist in Richmond said:Not sure if this was directed at me, but if it was, I never have made any attempt to control the content of other people's posts. If it was directed at me, please show us where I ever made this claim or attempted to control it.Click to expand...
As you have called him out, please provide us with examples of what you mean. Where is this "fiery rhetoric without substance?"Click to expand...
Now, you called him out on having no substance. Do you realize the seriousness of that charge?Click to expand...
So, are you implying that any political debate that does not fully support the POTUS is simply Bush bashing and anti-American?Click to expand...
This makes no sense.Click to expand...
Baptist in Richmond said:777, Pelosi is NOT "far, far left." You can make the claim, and it's NOT TRUE. You can reply to this post claiming otherwise, and it's still NOT TRUE. Pelosi is NOT "far, far left."Click to expand...
I'm referring from the center, not from Keith Obermann's or your perspective. This is her voting record:
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H0222103
It's to the right of maybe Castro.
Baptist in Richmond said:Perhaps you have never had any experiences with "far, far left" people.Click to expand...
Baptist in Richmond said:What in the world does this mean? You took a portion of one sentence that was not directed at you, and responded with this? Where did I give anyone "orders?"Click to expand...
If you want to find an ultra-leftist, I suggest you read something by Ginsburg, Chomsky, or Zinn. Stop listening to Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly or whichever source you are getting this nonsense, and think for yourselfClick to expand...
I've read all those "ultra-leftists" you mentioned, you could have also mentioned Lenin, Trotsky, Chavez, Castro, Che, Dawkins, Russell, Stalin...........they're all on the left, too!
And, so? You still think I lied while you were defending a huge lie called "Kwanzaa". You might have been a knee-jerk conservative at one time, but now you're suggesting a Christian should read works by aging radical atheists so that he can now "think for himself".
Baptist in Richmond said:Regards anyway,
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777 said:This is her voting record:
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H0222103
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777 said:Baptist in Richmond said:Not sure if this was directed at me, but if it was, I never have made any attempt to control the content of other people's posts. If it was directed at me, please show us where I ever made this claim or attempted to control it.Click to expand...Click to expand...
777 said:You really can't control the content of other people's posts, now can you?Click to expand...
Now, please show us the proof for your accusation.
All bomb-throwers are accused of that, there's nothing "serious" pointing out that fact.Click to expand...
And, yeah, Rush Limbaugh's Keith Olbermann's mirror image.Click to expand...
Trying to rewrite his post throught your partisan eyes, to make him say what you want to hear.Click to expand...
I'm referring from the center,Click to expand...
...not from Keith Obermann's or your perspective. This is her voting record:
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H0222103Click to expand...
http://www.house.gov/pelosi/
It's to the right of maybe Castro.Click to expand...
Actually, I went to school around Nancy Pelosi's district, yeah, that one.Click to expand...
The second sentence is imperative. Even worse, you're implying he's NOT thinking for himself, that he's parroting "nonsense".Click to expand...
I've read all those "ultra-leftists" you mentioned, you could have also mentioned Lenin, Trotsky, Chavez, Castro, Che, Dawkins, Russell, Stalin...........they're all on the left, too!Click to expand...
In this discussion, you have stated that you "went to school around Nancy Pelosi's district," and claimed to have read "all those 'ultra-leftists'" that I mentioned to CMG. If this is true, then you know that Nancy Pelosi is NOT an "ultra-leftist."
It really is that simple, 777: Nancy Pelosi is NOT an "ultra-leftist." You can claim it all you want, but it doesn't change the simple fact that Nancy Pelosi is NOT an "ultra-leftist." You can respond to this post and claim it again, but it doesn't change the fact that Nancy Pelosi is NOT an "ultra-leftist." Anyone who has attended a school in the Bay Area would know this to be true.
And, so? You still think I lied while you were defending a huge lie called "Kwanzaa".Click to expand...
You might have been a knee-jerk conservative at one time, but now you're suggesting a Christian should read works by aging radical atheists so that he can now "think for himself".Click to expand...
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church mouse guy said:The problem with lefties like Pelosi is that they lie about their true plans for the USA. If they get their hands on power, they turn out like Carter or Clinton or worse.
As for the war and WMDs, it cannot evidently be repeated enough that Democrats gutted the CIA under Frank Church when they came to power after Watergate. Now they complain about the failures of Democrat holdover George Tenet, who was Bush's first mistake in that Tenet should have been fired right away on the first day of the Bush presidency, and the failures of even people such as the Clintons who said that Iraq had WMDs. Clinton probably was trying to detract from his personal failures and should not be listened to on matters of national security.
At any rate everyone in both parties thought there were WMDs. The fact that there were not is not a reason for withdrawal once we were in the middle of a war.
The Democrats have a history of not fulfilling commitments. One cannot promise the world that one will do this or that and then stop in the middle and go home. We did that in Korea under Truman and in Viet Nam under Johnson. The world already hates and mistrusts us because of what we did in Viet Nam when we withdrew and left tens of thousands to die in the following communist bloodbath. We cannot retreat again like Napoleon in Moscow.Click to expand... -
StraightAndNarrow said:The Viet Nam war ended when Nixon surrendered. Where are you getting this stuff?Click to expand...
Ya, thats exactly how it happened. Nixon came out with his hands up, right. :laugh:
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