They follow the same texts as the NKJV does... are you against the NKJV?
But AA is saying that if something is different it cannot be the same...
But will not take a stand on a single KJV edition. Although there are changes....
And how can a text not be used before? Just because it wasn't used in the KJV doesn't mean it was a bad copy or bad text... Unless you believe in reverse inspiration...
Aren't we supposed to be Christlike?
Of course...
Then why use the Masoretic text.. when Christ didn't?
It is clear, when compared with the Masoretic text, and Jesus' quotes in the NT that he didn't use it...
Now, along comes the KJVOs that say we must use a text that Christ didn't...
Sounds like a bunch of serpents in the Garden, trying to say "here, use something Jesus didn't... it is better"....
KJV and the modern versions
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HP Your comparison hear is nothing more than a thinly veiled personal attack. Why did you have to add that to your post? What merit to your argument did it contribute to? When you start comparing ones beliefs to that of evil serpents, I would consider that on the same level as questioning ones salvation, unless those serpents you are referring to were saved ones in your estimation. -
No, I am not questioning anyone's salvation... I am saying that Satan has successfully indoctrinated his doubt of God's word into God's kingdom... so much so that even well meaning Christians, (as I am sure you are) are being deceived into beleiving that other versions of the Bible are from Satan and not God.
Man is not the enemy.
Christians that use the KJV are not the enemy
Christians that use other MVs are not the enemy
Satan is our enemy...
And when we fight a fight that has no biblical foundation, Satan is taking our priorities off what they need to be on.
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Things that are different are not the same.
If the KJV is the only God-preserved translation, then there would have been no need for anything beyond 1611. Because...things that are different are not the same. -
The text similar to the known Massoretic text, just as was the LXX, were both likely availabe to Jesus and the Apostles. However, this claim is "begging the question," in order to avoid answering one that has been asked before, by more than one poster, including myself. I'll ask it again. This happens in Luke 4, in the synagogue where Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah. Jesus read from the scroll of Isaiah (Lk. 4:16), and proclaimed it to be Scripture (Lk. 4:21). The words he read do not exactly correspond with any known text of that passage, be it Hebrew, Greek, or any other text in any language, even given translating, that we have any knowledge of, at this time.
"My mind's made up! Don't disturb me with the facts!"
Sorry, but I do not, and will not accept that motto, from anyone, because Scripture does not! (Rom. 12:1-2)
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Is the Bible a spiritual book, Divinely inspired by God? Is it today, in the form(s) we now have it in, divinely inspired by God? Can whole passages be Divinely inspired and not divinely inspired at one and the same time? Can something be and not be at the same time in the same manner?
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HP: Let’s start here. And what might that be? -
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HP: OK
HP: This is getting highly subjective in nature, for who or how do we ascertain when it is faithful? Could you explain the term derivative for the list as you are using it?
HP: I am unsure what ‘not really means. Is that a yes, or no, or maybe, or I don’t have the foggiest?:)
All I see above is the word ‘derivative’ with no explanation. I will await your definition.
HP: I am staring intently at the word ‘derivative’, but nothing just pops out at me that would indicate that something can be and not be at the same time in the same sense. When one tries to defy God given logic it takes some serious effort to deceive oneself otherwise. Patience must be in order. ;) :) -
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HP: Prove it to the list with sound reasoning, logic and effective debate. It takes more than a shoe cobbler saying that he is the best in town to establish the truth as to whether or not he really is.:wavey: -
I am sorry this is so boring at this stage for the listener, but hang in there. If Pastor Larry gets on track with some substance to back up his claims, there is a good chance that this might in fact be a very enlightening and enjoyable debate. :thumbs:
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Furthermore, it is clear that Jesus and the apostles used a text of the Bible (whether Hebrew or Greek, though the latter is most likely) that was neither the originals, nor the KJV, thus proving beyond any question that something other than the originals and the KJV can rightly be called the inspired word of God and can be authoritative for the church.
Much more could be said, but not much more really needs to be. As the old saying goes, "Good enough for Paul, good enough for me." Since he didn't use the KJV, I don't feel compelled to. And since he didn't use the TR, I don't feel compelled to use that either.
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Gerhard Ebersoehn Active MemberSite Supporter
Tinytim:
"No, I am not questioning anyone's salvation... I am saying that Satan has successfully indoctrinated his doubt of God's word into God's kingdom... so much so that even well meaning Christians, (as I am sure you are) are being deceived into beleiving that other versions of the Bible are from Satan and not God."
GE:
In your post just before this you discussed Greek manuscripts with HP; there's a big difference between that and 'versions'.
One thing remains undeniable after all the debating: the 'interpretation' or 'translation' of Modern versions (those since the 1900's and especially since the later half of it, made from whichever compilation of the Greek) for definite, deliberated method - rendered MUCH of the Bible differently than before, and in such a way that either the earlier or the later 'editions' MUST contain falsehood, for the 'older' and the 'newer' in no honest way are reconcilable. -
HP: And what method do you use when they don’t say the same things?
HP: What help does that give us?? We are still back to how do we know what texts are the most accurate thence inspired? I certainly hope by not by following the practice of buying into the baseless theory that older is better. That is certainly an unproven theory at best. -
At this point, everyone must do textual criticism and reject something that God has preserved for us. That's just the nature of the best.
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HP: What help does that give us??
HP: We are still back to how do we know what texts are the most accurate thence inspired?
PL: See above.
HP: Are you pointing us in a circle?
HP: I certainly hope by not by following the practice of buying into the baseless theory that older is better. That is certainly an unproven theory at best.
HP: It may be a little piece of a very large pie, but a little leaven leaveneth the whole pie. Tell us Pastor, how does it prove that getting the oldest available manuscripts are closer to the source of truth? It is a well known fact that the best manuscripts are often the most used and more often than not destroyed by such use. It is another possibility held by some well known scholars, that the originals of the best manuscripts were in fact destroyed after copies were made and after they had fallen into disrepair, while corrupted manuscripts that were not used could have well survived longer, thus appearing to be older. Older surviving manuscripts have no weight simply by their age as being closer to the originals. That point has been proven by other surviving manuscripts of other works that have been proven to be in error after close examination.
The fact is that no matter what side of this issue you fall on, it is often the theories of man that we are laying our faith in when it comes to deciding who is correct. When I see the divisiveness and confusion wrought upon the church as a direct result of the proliferation of translations and versions, it is not hard for me to decide on a solid translation that has guided the church for centuries. Thank God for the KJV. Just think. A bible for the common man that one does not have to ask for permission to use, copy or distribute.
Have you ever wondered why the drug companies despise health foods so much, and why they don’t try and market the natural ones that are known to be effective? You don’t suppose that the same reasons might apply in some manner in the world of printing and advocating modern versions of the Scriptures do you?
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HP: Your trailer contains clear logical contradictions that will never serve to reconcile honest differences except in your own mind possibly. It ignores the glaring differences and refuses to face the facts head on that they all do not say the same things and therefore they cannot all be right. Your intentions appear honorable but your solution remains far less than viable.
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