Law Requiring Ultrasounds for Abortions Struck Down

[Johnv]

In ordinary conversation, there is no reason to use the term "fetus."

Who decides that? In Christians circles especially, there's no reason whatsoever to get bent out of shape over something rather benign. In ordinary conversation, there's nothing wrong with referring to a fetus as a fetus.

On that topic, I once had some friends over, and I gave them some lilly bulbs. The wife said "Oh, thank you for the lillies, I mean, bulbs", to which I replied "It's okay, I'm pro-life; they're lillies". We had a good laugh over it.

 

[Amy.G]

Actually, when I was pregnant, my doctor never called my unborn child a "fetus."

I think "fetus" is used in medical textbooks and probably in medical school, but you are not in medical school, are you? In ordinary conversation, there is no reason to use the term "fetus."

I have never heard a pregnant woman exclaim "oooooh, the fetus just moved". :laugh:

 

[Marcia]

Who decides that? In Christians circles especially, there's no reason whatsoever to get bent out of shape over something rather benign.

I don't get bent out shape over it; I was just pointing out that most people do not say "fetus" when talking about unborn babies, especially their own. If it is a medical term, why use it? It does sound more impersonal.

I was pro-choice for most of my life so I know how it goes - you depersonalize the unborn child as much as possible and using a term like "fetus" helps in that direction.

 

[Johnv]

I don't get bent out shape over it

I'm glad you don't, but many well-meaning Christians do.

I was pro-choice for most of my life so I know how it goes

Interesting. I'll share somethign with you. I've always been pro-life. Years ago, wife got pregnant, and got so sick that she had to have the pregnancy terminated. It was one of the most agonizing things I as a father had to deal with, and I still feel the loss to this day, even though it was an absolutely necessary. The notion that someone would judge me to be impersonalizing a fetus is absolutely reprehibsible and unrighteous.

 

[RAdam]

Do you support federal funds paying for the ultrasound? I seriously doubt that any woman considers the fetus just "a huge pile of garbage." That is certainly an over generalization.

Had you actually read my post rather than skimming it and replying you would have seen that I called the idea that the baby (fetus) is just a bunch of cells and not a real person a pile of garbage rather than the baby itself.

 

[RAdam]

Fetus is a term that sounds far more alien than baby or child. While it technically may mean an unborn child, it has been abused by the pro-abortion crowd to dehumanize the child. While I wouldn't have it out with a Christian using this term, I would try to point out the abuse of the term in love and hopefully we would all use the terms baby or child rather than fetus.

Allow me to also make one point here. The bible always refers to children in the womb as people, real people. It is a child, a son, etc. I think we should too. Again, this isn't a reason to have it out with a person, but it would be prudent to use language that clearly states that the baby in the womb is a baby.

 

[Marcia]

I'm glad you don't, but many well-meaning Christians do.

Interesting. I'll share somethign with you. I've always been pro-life. Years ago, wife got pregnant, and got so sick that she had to have the pregnancy terminated. It was one of the most agonizing things I as a father had to deal with, and I still feel the loss to this day, even though it was an absolutely necessary. The notion that someone would judge me to be impersonalizing a fetus is absolutely reprehibsible and unrighteous.

I'm very sorry about this loss, JohnV.

I was pro-choice before I was a believer and pretty much the first year or so that I was a believer. It took that year and reading a book, as well as conviction from the Holy Spirit, for me to see abortion was wrong (except to save the mother's life). That's how much my former beliefs still had influence on me.

I almost had an abortion on my son (many years before being a believer), but God intervened in a miraculous way (though at the time I didn't think it was God as God to me was just a cosmic energy).

 

[Revmitchell]

Shame on those such as you for passing unrighteous, unchristian, and unscriptural judgement upon any christian who uses the word "fetus". How sad that there are Christians with such a sinful and unrepentant attitude towards the brethren such as yours.

Nice try but your attempt is empty. Fetus is used to dehumanize the human child thus justifying the slaughter of millions of innocent children every year. Shame on you for supporting that. That is the real tragedy. There is no good reason for holding on to the use of the word fetus. None and there is no good reason to defend it. You have exposed yourself on this issue. Christians have no business practicing the use of this word. And it brings any claim of being pro-life into question. And while I am sorry for your loss it has nothing to do with this topic. Using it as a means to simply win and argument is sad and disgusting.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Nice try but your attempt is empty. Fetus is used to dehumanize the human child thus justifying the slaughter of millions of innocent children every year. Shame on you for supporting that. That is the real tragedy. There is no good reason for holding on to the use of the word fetus. None and there is no good reason to defend it. You have exposed yourself on this issue. Christians have no business practicing the use of this word. And it brings any claim of being pro-life into question. And while I am sorry for your loss it has nothing to do with this topic. Using it as a means to simply win and argument is sad and disgusting.

The word 'fetus' entered the English language between 1350 and 1400. Nice try Rev, but you show your ignorance of the English language. As you can see the word has been used for at least 600 years.

Fetus the young of an animal in the womb or egg, esp. in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation.

Origin:
1350–1400; ME < L fētus bringing forth of young, hence that which is born, offspring, young still in the womb, equiv. to fē- (v. base attested in L only in n. derivatives, as fēmina woman, fēcundus fecund, etc.; cf. Gk thēsthai to suck, milk, OHG tāan to suck, OIr denid (he) sucks) + -tus suffix of v. action
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fetus

Now perhaps there is another word you do not know, zygote.

Zygote = The cell formed by the union of two gametes, especially a fertilized ovum before cleavage.

Origin:
1885–90; < Gk zygōtós yoked, equiv. to zygō-, var. s. of zygoûn to yoke, join together (deriv. of zygón yoke 1 ) + -tos adj. suffix
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zygote

 

[Johnv]

Nice try but your attempt is empty.

As is your attempt to denegrate Christians by falsely calling them "liberal". How sad that your argument is so empty.

Fetus is used to dehumanize the human child

That's a completely ignorante statment. Again, it's nothing more than your attempt to cast unrighteous judgment on other Christians, based solely on whether they use the word "fetus" when referencing an unborn baby.

There is no good reason for holding on to the use of the word fetus.

The definition of "fetus" is simply an unborn baby, and there's nothing inappropriate about a Christian using it in that context.

You have exposed yourself on this issue. Christians have no business practicing the use of this word. And it brings any claim of being pro-life into question.

How dare you. You unrighteous unrepentent pharisee. How sad that you so easily accuse Christians falsely of sin.