Here is a thought. Do we come to Christ and or God for salvation or did God come to us through Christ born a man child, died a man child and was resurrected a man child, with salvation?
Let God be God.
Lordship Salvation Controversy
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by evangelist6589, Apr 6, 2012.
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I did not say that I did not like IFB. I said that they may be easy believism. -
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14:00- He says you cant be saved and live like the devil. If you do, then you are not saved.
14:30- The judgment of God will come. If you have been born again you have Gods spirit that if you sin you will be convicted. If you sin and are not convicted then you will go to Hell. Going to church does not save you.
16:00- He rebukes Fundamentalist churches because they are all about getting saved, and not about sanctification and living the Godly life. -
Lordship Salvation churches make a big deal over sincere repentance, but often the folks who are so quick to criticize easy believeism live a very loose lifestyle.
And I quoted John MacArthur himself who agrees with my observation. He noted how many young Reformed love to drink, smoke, wear tattoos, listen to heavy metal, curse, and many other "vices" (his words, not mine).
Most folks call this HYPOCRISY. -
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I am saying that LS churches tend to judge folks by their works. We have a fellow here who is a strong LS believer, and he is always criticizing folks for sinning. He goes many days without sinning (according to his own words). He believes if you are sinning, you are not saved.
And I am pointing out the hypocrisy of many who hold to LS. They criticize easy believeism, and in the next breath criticize these same churches for having so many "rules".
Yet, as John MacArthur himself pointed out, many of these folks who criticize easy believeism live a very loose Christianity.
Maybe some of you LS guys should join an easy believeism church. We seem to be getting better results. -
I sense from this discussion that those who favor LS have a different definition from those who oppose it. So, it would be helpful if there could be some agreement on just what it is.
Same thing with "easy believeism." What's the definition? -
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LS is the view that one cannot take Jesus as Savior at one point and Lord sometime later. The scriptures say believe on the LORD Jesus Christ and be saved. (Acts 16:31)
They also say one must confess with his mouth that Jesus is LORD (and believe that he rose from the dead)... Romans 10:9
To me, LS is simply confessing Jesus as Lord as well as Savior.
Easy believism, in my view is best expressed in walking the aisle, saying the prayer, or one-two-three, repeat after me, raise your hand. The appeal is to believe with little emphasis on obedience.
mandy, you're probably right, we'll have some differing definitions. So let's lay them out here, so at least we'll have some frame of reference for each other's view.
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