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Major "Christian" denomination alleges that God has created each person in their mother's womb.

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Theodore A. Jones, Jan 30, 2018.

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  1. annsni

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    You refute Psalm 139:13. God knits together each and every person in the world in their mother's womb. You also refute John 1:3 which tells us that nothing was made that was not made by Jesus. So what do you say made people? Satan? Angels? Mother Nature? Aliens?
     
  2. Theodore A. Jones

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    Jesus states in Jn. 16:8 prior to his murder by crucifixion that just murdering him by crucifixion would not and has not in anyway resolved mankind's guilt relative to sin. Which begs the question. What is the only Way possible any man might resolve his condition of being guilty of sins? Suggest that you read Acts 2:14-38 several times considering that only a sin is mentioned in that message. What is that sin and what is the only Way you can resolve it?
     
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    Only problem is your interpretation is not inspired. The Word is but not your interpretation of it.
     
  4. Theodore A. Jones

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    Jn. 1:13 specifically states that NO! naturally born person is a child of God. Therefore the ONLY person's body God has knitted together in his mother's is Jesus Christ which is why only He holds the title of "Only begotten Son of God".
    Regarding that your written supposition refuted those facts He has clearly identified whom your father is in Jn. 8.
    Have a good day. Bye bye.
     
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    When your only predestined certainty occurs, getting strapped into a hell chute, it will be then that you rue this day.
    Bye bye.
     
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    There is a reason it is written "I do not permit a woman to teach nor have authority over a man." She has no idea of what she is talking/writing about which is why it is also written "Do not go beyond what is written." 1 Cor. 4:6 Clear?
    Bye bye.
     
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    I regret that you chose not to address my questions.

    I am thankful that Jesus willfully took my place on that cruel cross.

    Phl 2:8 KJV - And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
     
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    You fail to make sense.
     
  10. Theodore A. Jones

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    "receive the faith to confess directly to God that he (?) is truly sorry Jesus"?

    One of two things might have happened. Either what you've quoted is a typo or perhaps what you've requested of me is a territory you do not want to think of venturing into.

    What I teach is the following:
    The crucifixion of Jesus Christ was the sin of murder according to the scripture and therefore cannot be a direct benefit to anyone. After his resurrection and his ascension the priesthood was changed which also made it mandatory that the law MUST also be changed, Heb. 7:12, adding the word REPENT in to law, but ONLY in regard to the sin of murdering Jesus Christ. The only WAY the law
    REPENT can be obeyed is by the faith of YOU confessing directly to God that YOU are truly sorry God's only begotten son, Jesus, was murdered when he was crucified. Your salvation from serving the penalty of eternal death is predicated upon YOUR faith to obey God this WAY and there are no exceptions.

    There is no possibility that God himself has, by any stretch of imagination, causative culpability in the murder of Jesus Christ, God's only begotten son.
     
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    Since you were so dismissive of my sister Annsni...

    For Thou didst form my inward parts; Thou didst weave me in my mother's womb.
    Psalms 139:13 NAS77


    Who is the Thou the Psalmist is speaking of? God. Thou -God - formed my inward parts. Thou -God_ did weave me in my mother's womb. God cannot blaspheme against Himself so either God is a liar or you are clueless.

    "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."
    Jeremiah 1:5 NAS77


    Oops, He did it again.

    You stated in your OP that the notion that God created all persons in their mother's womb is a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I submit that your convoluted nonsense is an insult to the intelligence of the members of this board.
     
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    "children born NOT! of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will" Jn. 1:13
    That statement is NOT!! my convoluted nonsense. Further. If God's children were produced by natural human sexual copulation there is absolutely no reason for the murder of Jesus Christ by crucifixion to have occurred for perfecting the Way you might be saved by God.
    Regarding your sister. She is to keep her mouth, or in this case fingers, out of these conversations. If she has questions she is to go home and ask her husband, if she has or has managed to keep one.
     
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    It is written "GO! ask your husband if you've got questions." and also written "Do NOT! go beyond what is written." 1 Cor. 4:6
     
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    It might not seem convoluted to you but you can't parse a phrase out of the middle of a verse and build a doctrine. Read the preceding verse and John 1:13 in its entirety.

    But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    John 1:12-13 NAS77

    This is not talking about natural birth. It speaks to the rebirth - being born again - being not of blood or the will of the flesh but of God. You have failed to defend your thesis that God forming humans in the womb is a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. You can't because there are at least two verses of Scripture (inspired by the Holy Spirit) that say they are. So either God lied to us in His inspired Word or your premise is false. A false premise can only lead to a false conclusion.

    Let me apply your hermeneutic to another verse.

    Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel,
    1 Kings 21:21 KJV


    I'll just parse a few words like you did and draw a convoluted conclusion. It is incumbent that all urination occur in a toilet or behind a tree. All who urinate against a wall will be subjected to wrath in the form of evil coming upon thee and prosperity taken away so shut up and leave Israel. I know it sounds outlandish but it is the same way you treated the text from John.

    As for my sister-in-the Lord.... this ain't a church. This is a open public forum. She is free to speak without you questioning her role as a godly wife and mother. I have known her for many years and she has consistently demonstrated a depth of character that seems to elude you.

    Now go do some homework.
     
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    I addressed the question you asked.
     
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    You, sir, have a problem with decency. Your post has been reported.

    [Admin: His post has been deleted.]
     
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    It appears our new poster is threatened by women who know more than he does. Which would be, apparently, almost all women.
     
  18. Squire Robertsson

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    As the OP is now temporarily banned, this thread is closed.
     
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