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Man Dies Terrorizing Women And Children
- Thread starter Bro. Curtis
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She appears to throw back her left elbow as she... chambers a round.
Okay, I just watched it several more times. I see now what you are talking about. The other woman obscures the purse, but right after the rear movement of her elbow we see her hand is on the bottom of the frame, not on top of the slide.
The video evidence is inconclusive, it could go either way, but I find it hard to believe a trained police professional would carry a firearm without a round in the chamber. Had we done that we would have been fired.
The video evidence is inconclusive, it could go either way, but I find it hard to believe a trained police professional would carry a firearm without a round in the chamber. Had we done that we would have been fired.
One of hats is that of a Physical Therapist Assistant trained in kinetics so I tend to see the details of movement.
All I can say is that if my wife carried a gun in her purse around our young children I would not allow it with a bullet in the chamber and no safety to be around our kids, whether she was a professional or not.
Then, in my opinion as a certified pistol instructor, a certified range safety officer, a certified DOJ firearms safety instructor, a certified law enforcement firearms instructor, I would implore neither you nor your wife carry at all. It would be better to just submit to whatever your assailant demands rather than try to defend yourself with an unloaded gun.
As I noted earlier, if for whatever reason you can't use your off hand, you won't be able to chamber a round. You will just be standing there holding an unloaded gun making yourself a target.
60% of all FTFs (Failure to Feed) happen when the first round is chambered manually. (Glocks are famous for this.)
And, of course, by drawing an unloaded pistol, which you cannot fire yet, causes the assailant to start firing at you with little or no regard for those around you including your own children and loved ones.
Many LEOs refuse to carry a duty pistol with a manual safety because they don't like the fact you have to do something before you can fire the first shot.
Gaston Glock designed the original Glock 17/19 for law enforcement which is the reason it has no manual safety. And Glocks (today mostly Glock 22s) make up around 70% of law enforcement agency issued or approved firearms.
Carrying a firearm that is not ready to shoot is very, very dangerous. You are better off with no firearm than you would be with a firearm that only makes you a soft target.
I am stubborn in my love of the .45. I admit to ignorance concerning other pistols. But do Glocks and other ACPs have the palm safety feature ?
And I agree about an unchambered pistol. All it’s good for is making the purse heavier.
And I agree about an unchambered pistol. All it’s good for is making the purse heavier.
As far as I know the only pistol currently in production with a grip safety other than the 1911A1 is the Springfield XD. And that is not an actual safety, but is a squeeze cocker that cocks the firing pin so the pistol can be carried uncocked but just gripping it will cock it after being drawn.
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Thank you. That’s a nice feature. Perfect for draw and fire.
Thanks for your opinion, but basic Critical Thinking Skills teach to recognize that one throwing out his credentials doesn’t make his argument logically true as well as to recognize the rhetoric of condescending statements and slippery slope fallacies.
As I noted earlier, there are many dangerous negligent discharges but very few instances of danger because of the urgency of having to take a second to chamber a round, therefore, for common general everyday purposes the odds are it is much safer to avoid the possibility that a mother were to EVER, EVEN FOR ONE MINUTE leave her purse unattended with a charged gun around young children.
Out of maybe 200 I haven’t had a first round FTF yet on my new Sig P320, but I’ll keep your advisement in mind as I weigh all these factors against the risks of a child pulling a charged ready to fire gun out of his/her mother's purse.
What % of children do you think have had the mishap of firing a gun in the home wherein they had to chamber a round first compared to not having one chambered? I'd bet better than 95% got their hands on a charged gun where all they had to do is pull the trigger! In such a case the fact that gun shouldn't have been accessible is meaningless, it happens!! - and there is no comparison between this and the dangers of having to take a second to chamber a round. Kind of makes the machismo of one's preparation for a threat being a split second faster, supposedly so much better, start to fade in my book of general responsibilities.
A good reason to choose your timing carefully whether one might need an extra second or not, which is what concealment allows for, but I still see you are failing to take into account all matters of safety and weighing both sides which I have done. Your only solution is your way is the only way and all others need not apply to be in your category of being a responsible gun owner. Maybe you don't realize how that sounds to me, I don't know.
As I said on the onset of this discussion, I don’t like the idea of taking that second, or split second to chamber a round either and can only hope it never costs me, but I have factored that into my decision and in this case for instance, I don’t like the much higher chances of a young child reaching into an unattended mother’s purse and pulling out gun which all they have to do is pull the trigger. Pure irresponsible foolishness which would not be allowed in my home.
I like my Sig P320 better but wish I had held out for the Sig P365 which is next on my list.
Sorry, but your premise does not logically support your conclusion which assumes I am otherwise only a soft target, and besides again nor does it address the counter danger issues I’ve raised and factored in. It seems to me our priorities differ which reasoning I won’t go into as to avoid likely offending you. But, if one thinks as I draw my weapon while throwing the bolt back in one motion, probably adding less than a second equates to me being a soft target I’d have to say that reasoning falls way short of supporting their conclusion and like the mother demonstrated in the video such a conclusion is false and the threat most likely would have a big surprise coming.
I believe the mother in the video did in fact clearly throw her bolt back and chamber a round while effectively dealing with the threat as well as it would follow she takes into account the safety of her family and for that I commend her.
When I was on the market for a carry pistol, Sig had just come out with the P250. I bought one of the very early examples and have liked it, but Sig Sauer let me down on all of the expansion and modularity that was supposed to rolled out over the next few years. They eventually gave up on the model and created the P320 to take its place.
I've been thinking about trading the P250 toward a new P320. Do you have any issues with it? Any annoying issues like trouble chambering a round with a completely full magazine?
I can understand your need to deflect from the subject at hand. The point remains. Carrying an unloaded gun is dangerous. And all the nonsense of leaving a loaded gun in reach of children is just that, nonsense. No responsible gun owner would leave a firearm where a child could access it, loaded or not.
If your wife is leaving her purse with a gun in it near a child it is time to have a long and serious discussion with her about gun safety and the worth of that child's life.
Ooops: XD. Thanks for the correction. The picture is even the XD! Do I get credit for half right?
I'll be honest, I scrolled right past the pic and didn't even notice.Ooops: XD. Thanks for the correction. The picture is even the XD! Do I get credit for half right?
As well, I can understand your need to avoid the issues I've raised.
A purse isn’t attached to a woman, it is not a holster and no reasonable person would deny that women do not keep track and an eye on their purse every second of every day without fail, therefore in my opinion your neglect to factor in this truth is dangerous nonsense.
In fact, to offer such “expert” insistence of the only proper etiquette is to keep a round in the chamber upon the general population without responsible consideration of reality demonstrates the likely true cause of why there are so many neglectful discharges.
It is far too easy to make the mistake of taking her eyes off a purse and it is undeniable that safeguarding against this danger greatly outweighs the chances of being in such an urgent situation that not already having a round in the chamber poses a dangerous threat.
The issue is loaded chamber. I always advise against a woman putting a firearm in a purse. That's what holsters are for. Now, do you want to get back to the topic or are you done?
If the firearm owner is not a responsible person they have no business owning or carrying a firearm.
T, keep in mind there are purses that are made to double as holsters.
Yes, I am familiar with a couple different styles. But they all have the same problem. Anytime a woman in a place with a lot of foot traffic she is in danger of a purse-snatcher.
Even with the best strap system, and her willingness to engage in a tug of war, such an encounter makes it virtually impossible to draw and fire a pistol.
I still prefer holsters. And there are some very good concealment holsters made especially for women. I much prefer them when I am asked to recommend a carry methodology.
Here are a couple of them, but there are some that are even better.
I really have no complaints. At first I thought the slide was pretty darn stiff but it's either loosened up or I've gotten used to it. The springs in the magazines are pretty tight too so putting in the last bullet by hand was kind of joke but I'm using a device now to load. Guess I'd say its a tight gun. Been flawless.
A guy could save $100 or so over purchasing another gun by changing the caliber if he wanted to but I'd probably just buy another considering the difference. However, changing the handle from compact to carry and/or the color is pretty cool and reasonable. Mine is a Compact Flat Dark Earth Finish and has night sights and I'm getting a black Carry size handle to swap with.
To carry I'd rather have the P365, that thing is so small and with new technology holds 10 9mm rounds (plus 1 in the chamber
) in less space than any other 10 round clip.