But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ (Mark 10:6)
Here we have the words of Christ about the timing of the creation of Adam and Eve.
How do you believe this affects the view of how old the earth is?
Man made at the beginning of creation-How old is the earth?
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Revmitchell, Jan 1, 2015.
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Revmitchell Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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You are carrying your preconceived philosophy into this passage and interpreting it accordingly.
The word "beginning" is an indefinite time; if it was a definite, a certain time, "the beginning", it would have been the first moment of the first day.
In Mark 10:6, 'beginning' speaks of the time when man and woman were first created.
Genesis 1 calls these first seven days, "the beginning".
Whether the days were ages long or 24-hour days makes no difference on the meaning of this passage, it was still "the beginning".
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You also totally destroy the significance of the Sabbath since on the "7th day God rested" which was a creation ordinance commanded to be obeyed by the Hebrews and extends to the New Covenant as well -
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The exchange here in Mark 10 is dealing with Jesus' response to a question of divorce, perhaps a "gotcha" trap set by the Pharisees, much like the demise of John the Baptist. His response simply indicates that it was the intention of God from the beginning of humanity that marriage was to be a permanent relationship.
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The word (G746) translated as "beginning" refers to the very start of creation, i.e. Genesis 1:1. But from (or since or after) this very beginning, God made man. How long after, according to Genesis 1:27, on the sixth day or the creation week.
Now because the Bible lists every generation from Adam to Jesus, the Bible seems to say the very first man, made in the image of God, was created less than 7000 years ago.
YEC accept that since man was created during the creation week, less than 7000 years ago, every thing else was also created less than 7000 years ago. Any hitch in that view is explained away with "created with apparent age" like the wine a Cana.
Now the OEC say, not so fast, yom is sometimes used to refer to indefinite and very long periods of time. The YEC fire back with yom is never used as anything but a 24 hour day when numbered.
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Suddenly it dawned on me ..... like a light bulb suddenly switched on!
"Before the beginning of space and time, God created."
Now......... let's all gather around the Hubble telescope.........
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Marooncat79 Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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If we could hear God's response after reading this post he'd either be chuckling or crying saying, "they missed the point!"
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BTW, I did have several classes in physics (Physics 151 and 152 and Quantum here) as well.
**I forgot Thermodynamics and Statistical Mechanics. I did only have 1 class in astronomy
You cannot possibly hold to "Sola Scriptura" and be an Old Earth Creationist-it is impossible
I would encourage you to read
"The Collapse of Evolution" by Scott Huse for starters. It is a very good treatment of Evolution and he totally obliterates what you propose -
I am, "old earth," however I do not believe man evolved from anything created but was created in the image of God.
I believe the man created in the image of God was the means by which the God would send his Son to eradicate the works of the devil, Satan, who pre- existed and sinned prior to, the created man.
What is the result of sin? --- Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:15 For the wages of sin is death; Rom 6:23
The first man, Adam:
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12 For since by man came death,/For as in Adam all die, from 1 Cor. 15:21,22
The sin of Adam brought death to all men.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8
Did the sin of the devil bring death to anything?
Was the sin of the devil before the sin of Adam?
Why was there darkness upon the face of the deep, on the earth?
Is darkness opposite of light, is God light and is the devil darkness?
Why is the darkness upon the face of the deep, on the earth after the creation, listed before the light?
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I lean heavily toward evolutionary creationism, I don't see any dissonance relative to the "imago dei". -
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An interesting observation from an evolutionist:
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