Actually, you apparently misunderstood the OP statement.
To derail consideration that ADD, ADHD, OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder), OPD (oppositional personality disorder), Tourette Syndrome, epilepsy, and autism is a manifestation of sin, this thread is to take the position that such may certainly be Godly attributes in which the person is strengthened and a testimony for others of God's great grace.
I did not state anyone had said the question in bold that you asked, but was making a conditional statement in which such an argument was not the point of this thread.
Do you desire it to be part of the thread?
Do you consider "that ADD, ADHD, OCD (obsessive-compulsive disorder), OPD (oppositional personality disorder), Tourette Syndrome, epilepsy, and autism is a manifestation of sin?"
Medication vs 'Self" medicating
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by agedman, May 10, 2012.
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Can you tell me who said that Tourette Syndrome, epilepsy, and autism was due to sin?
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I am not a person who believes in running to the doctor to get a pill for every little problem of life. But I do believe, on the other hand, that God has gifted men and women the ability to heal through medicine, to help and aid people in living more fulfilling lives.
Are there mental problems that a pill won't help? Sure, absolutely. But I think we need to realize that there are more problems medication WILL help. Will a pill make a gay person less gay? Never. Will a pill take away a man's lust? Never. Will a pill help a little boy sit in his seat in kindergarten? Every day. Will a pill help people realize personal limits? Absolutely.
There's a difference, FAL, not all pegs are the same and they fit into different size holes. -
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If drugs were the way to deal with in in any fashion then we all need to be on drugs. -
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You seem to consider that, "The only help a drug can offer for bad behavior is to cover the sin not expose it or cure it."
Can you prove that statement?
When the tabernacle and all the vestments of the ministry were made and ordained, the oil was from the apothecary - what we might call a medical doctor and the oil a medical mixture.
Would you not agree that if God used such to establish what was holy then would it not follow that approval of medical helps were beneficial and not merely "covering the sin."
Then, by stating, "If a drug could do what you suggest then we all need to be on drugs." you invite a further critical view of the extreme.
Throughout this thread, medical helps has been targeted to those who perhaps could use medication because of a physical deficit. It is never about "covering sin" or "confessing and forsaking."
In fact, no one is opposed to confessing and forsaking, and no one would suggest agreement that "covering sin" was anything more than love. (see Proverbs 10:12)
It might seem you carve out what you consider good medical helps for some areas the OP list, but not allow medical helps for all the ones listed. -
There is no argument that sin abounds in many evil manifestations in the areas of your post.
BUT, that is not the authority you seem to seek.
When you posted,"Mixing different types of medical conditions with non medical conditions makes the question void as it is a baiting question. So I ask you;
Can you tell me who said that Tourette Syndrome, epilepsy, and autism was due to sin?
You need to seperate the two types and ask it seperately."
I ask, "Then who is the authority to say what is and is not a medical condition?"
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Since my diagnosis 3 years ago and startting treatment, I have become increasing more aware of my spiritual state and my relationship with God.
I honestly believe that God made my condition worse by allowing me to be born with this illness so that I could later become a better person later.
Noone can say for sure, but I feel in my heart that i am a better person and seravnt to God WITH the illness than I would be if it didnt exist.
And don't misunderstand me, I am not saying that I am a good person in the flesh, (none of us are), I am simply saying that I am a better person in spirit because of the trials I have been through.
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Not ALL bad behavior is caused by sin. Is some? Absolutely. We have a man in our church, he speaks out, comes up on the podium and helps direct the music,, repeats what people say and says, "yeah", passes gas and laughs about it. (All during the service). Is his behavior Sin? NO...he's mentally challenged and has the mind of a child. He does take medication to help him control these impulses, but they're still not sin and he's certainly not masking any sin. He loves church, loves Jesus....His favorite song that he loves to help direct? Jesus Loves Me. Michael accepted the Lord one day. He can barely speak in coherent words, yet God still touched his heart. We all love Michael and so we overlook his passing gas and smile when he wants to direct the music...but they're not sins.
It's okay not to be so rigid on things that you fail to see that not all situations are the same and that God sees the heart and can handle it all. If you know someone who is taking medications to mask sin, then pray for them. Befriend them and help them to understand that God loves them and wants to forgive their sin. It'll get you a lot further than screaming in their face about how horrid they are. "While passing through this world of sin,...Let Others See Jesus in You." -
When a person argues that "it can't right because it is not in the Bible", they are basically stating that they have no knowledge of the principles that the Bible teaches.
A better understanding of biblical principle would give you more understanding and compassion for others. Being dogmatic without understanding is dangerous to yourself and to others.
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A person CANNOT HELP it if they have ADD. Do you have a child with ADD? Have you even had experience teaching children with this learning problem? It has nothing to do with sin. It has everything to do with how their brain functions. It is not a sin to have a hard time focusing, or sitting still, or needing to engage both halves of the brain at the same time to learn properly. -
For example, some have actually bought into the idea that diet, or limiting sugar intake, or modified environment... can fix these conditions. That isn't true. Neither is it true that those ares are not to be taken into consideration. Extremes are problematic.
More to the point is what you stated about how the brain functions.
As a youth, one of the school field trips was to a "mental health" facility. We saw what I can only describe as mid-evil compared to what we know in this current time. I am certain that (if the Lord tarries) our own understanding will also be considered foolish, and ridiculed by those a 100 years from now.
Perhaps as the discussion continues, we will enjoy more anecdotal posts of the tribulation and triumphs parents, children, educators, pastors, and general pew sitters have witnessed.
There are so many tragedies and mistakes that have been made that might have all been avoided had Godly and accurate information and help been given. -
Some people simply need to get an education in mental illnesses. -
...you folks are shoveling sand against the tide.
I am on five doses of chemicals a day. Just enough to keep my arteries clear and the blood thin enough to make it's appointed rounds.
I don't like taking these chemicals but my age is creeping up on me and the time has come to start getting my affairs in order even if I live another 10 years. Nothing to do with "sin" even though I do sin on a daily basis but for sure, we are all going to die one day in the flesh, due to that original sin. Personally, I'll be glad when it's all over. :thumbs: -
Many might preach and/or teach and have lives that bring shame and rebuke. It is application that is necessary.
We believers who have been a witness or even carry scars of the horrible background endured during formative years do tend to be re-actively rigid and hold to Biblical precepts; we at times look with some measure of disdain upon anything that might move us out of our "comfort zone" security. Rather than Biblical principles building personal precepts, we (generally speaking) use Biblical precepts to build personal principles. There must be a balance; both precept and principle are important to the believer.
One of the neat passages in Scripture is the opening of Romans 5. The verses show a series of steps that "educate" the believer into ultimate purpose for which God saved us.Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation works patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope makes not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. -
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Would that My Bride and I spend this evening breathing in the wonders of the celestial in your presence! -
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