Mexican military flies over South Texas

[freeatlast]

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Did God lose His sovereignty when He gave Satan permission to mess with Job?

God was escorting satan by setting parameters. satan was not left alone do what ever he decided. God was always in control contrary to what the Federal government has done allowing missions without escort from Mexico.

 

[freeatlast]

Actually, God pointed Job out to Satan, knowing that Satan would ask to tempt him; therefore this was exactly what God wanted. If you notice the end of Job, God takes full responsibility for everything that happened to Job, the says "Who do you think you are to question me?"

So, God was in 100 percent control throughout.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[freeatlast]

By your definition no country in the world throughout all of history has ever had sovereignty.

I have no idea and could care less. My concern is this country.

 

[InTheLight]

These kinds of stories are the result of careless and sensationalist media hype. The US does not lose sovereignty because allies use territory to attack an mutual enemy. We are not facing a 'Nazi America' because some local officials shut down a lemonade stand. Parental rights are not being denied because a judge sentences a woman for abusing her child.

Responsible citizens get the whole story and think things over before spreading the hype.

C4K, now why did you have go and post something sensible? Ya killjoy!

Don't you know that we are supposed to get riled up over lack of flag pins on Obama's labels? That Obama wasn’t wearing his wedding ring or his watch during Ramadan, proving he's a Muslim? That Michelle Obama had a $400 meal at the Waldorf? :laugh:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

C4K, now why did you have go and post something sensible? Ya killjoy!

Don't you know that we are supposed to get riled up over lack of flag pins on Obama's labels? That Obama wasn’t wearing his wedding ring or his watch during Ramadan, proving he's a Muslim? That Michelle Obama had a $400 meal at the Waldorf? :laugh:

I thought about those as well, but just ran with current stories here

 

[targus]

I have no idea and could care less. My concern is this country.

I will reword it for you then...

According to your definition the U.S. has never had sovereignty.

 

[freeatlast]

I will reword it for you then...

According to your definition the U.S. has never had sovereignty.

Explain why you think that.

 

[targus]

Explain why you think that.

Because random people walk over the border everyday.

Because drug smugglers cross the border with illegal drugs everyday.

Because marijua is grown illegally on Federal lands.

Do you need more examples?

 

[freeatlast]

Because random people walk over the border everyday.

Because drug smugglers cross the border with illegal drugs everyday.

Because marijua is grown illegally on Federal lands.

Do you need more examples?

Those are not examples. Those are people who are being sought and arrested. No permission was given for them to do what they do. We have given up our sovereignty to Mexico's military

 

[Robert Snow]

Those are not examples. Those are people who are being sought and arrested. No permission was given for them to do what they do. We have given up our sovereignty to Mexico's military

You can repeat this misinformation all you want, it is still wrong. You just won't listen. I bet if every member of this board personally showed you the error of your way, you still wouldn't admit your mistake.

 

[freeatlast]

You can repeat this misinformation all you want, it is still wrong. You just won't listen. I bet if every member of this board personally showed you the error of your way, you still wouldn't admit your mistake.

Multitudes do not make for truth. The fact is we have given up our sovereignty to Mexico in this area. And I doubt that even the truth will convince you as you do not want to admit your mistake.

 

[targus]

Those are not examples. Those are people who are being sought and arrested. No permission was given for them to do what they do. We have given up our sovereignty to Mexico's military

So then by your logic...

The U.S. loses sovereignty when it gives permission to someone to enter the U.S. because it no longer is in complete control.

And the U.S. does not loose sovereignty when someone enters the U.S. without permission because the U.S. is... what? Still in complete control?

You are making no sense here.

 

[targus]

Multitudes do not make for truth. The fact is we have given up our sovereignty to Mexico in this area. And I doubt that even the truth will convince you as you do not want to admit your mistake.

Your understanding of the meaning of sovereignty is flawed.

Here is a better definition: "Sovereignty is the power of a state to do everything necessary to govern itself, such as making, executing, and applying laws; imposing and collecting taxes; making war and peace; and forming treaties or engaging in commerce with foreign nations."

By granting Mexico the permission to fly in U.S. airspace the U.S. is exercising it's sovereignty - not giving it up.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Your understanding of the meaning of sovereignty is flawed.

Here is a better definition: "Sovereignty is the power of a state to do everything necessary to govern itself, such as making, executing, and applying laws; imposing and collecting taxes; making war and peace; and forming treaties or engaging in commerce with foreign nations."

By granting Mexico the permission to fly in U.S. airspace the U.S. is exercising it's sovereignty - not giving it up.

Excellent substantive post. Mexico is submitting to US sovereignty, nothing more or less than that - I somehow doubt it will accomplish much.

 

[Sapper Woody]

God was escorting satan by setting parameters. satan was not left alone do what ever he decided. God was always in control contrary to what the Federal government has done allowing missions without escort from Mexico.

America has set parameters for Mexico, too. Mexico is not left alone to do whatever they decide. You think they can just fly in "guns-a-blazing" into America? You think they can fly anywhere in the states they want? You think that they have any power to arrest or apprehend anyone here? You think they can fly in at all without alerting the proper authorities?

We are in control. Let's see what happens the first time they try to open fire on an American.

The U.S. loses sovereignty when it gives permission to someone to enter the U.S. because it no longer is in complete control.

And the U.S. does not loose sovereignty when someone enters the U.S. without permission because the U.S. is... what? Still in complete control?

Excellent post. I was going to say something along the same lines myself.

 

[Robert Snow]

America has set parameters for Mexico, too. Mexico is not left alone to do whatever they decide. You think they can just fly in "guns-a-blazing" into America? You think they can fly anywhere in the states they want? You think that they have any power to arrest or apprehend anyone here? You think they can fly in at all without alerting the proper authorities?

We are in control. Let's see what happens the first time they try to open fire on an American.

Excellent post. I was going to say something along the same lines myself.

Great post!

Now, get ready for freeatlast to claim you are wrong.

 

[freeatlast]

No one said we did not set the parameters. No one is claiming an invasion. But we have by setting the parameters we have, given up our sovereignty by allowing another nation to opperate within ourt borders without on site American direction.

 

[Robert Snow]

No one said we did not set the parameters. No one is claiming an invasion. But we have by setting the parameters we have, given up our sovereignty by allowing another nation to opperate within ourt borders without on site American direction.

In other words, everyone here except you is wrong. We have all missed it except you. Interesting...

 

[freeatlast]

In other words, everyone here except you is wrong. We have all missed it except you. Interesting...

Well the truth is that you are accusing me of the very thing you are doing. You are claiming you are right. I say you are wrong. I hold that we have given up our sovereignty. You do not. I am waiting for you to move to the south border of Texas and have a Mexican chopper with armed military people land in your back yard and see if you change your mind.

 

[Salty]

In other words, everyone here except you is wrong. We have all missed it except you. Interesting...

Well the truth is that you are accusing me of the very thing you are doing. You are claiming you are right. I say you are wrong. ...

I say that Robert Snow is right!
anybody else with me/us?