Michael Jackson--all is vanity

[donnA]

I've noticed the same people who worship obama are also jackson worshippers, he like obama can do no wrong. People want to worship, but they appear to want to worship men, not the creator of men.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

you may have been neglectful and endangered your child's life, but I have not. And he did it on purpose, even worse.

Have you ever fed them food with transfats? Have you ever given them food with HFCS? Have you given a small child peanut butter, grapes, or hot dogs?

 

[Jarthur001]

Michael ~ Are your sins atoned?

God is not impressed with the heroes we lift up

 

[donnA]

Have you ever fed them food with transfats? Have you ever given them food with HFCS? Have you given a small child peanut butter, grapes, or hot dogs?

and this equals hanging a child over a balcony to you? one sick puppy.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

and this equals hanging a child over a balcony to you? one sick puppy.

More people are suffering from coronary disease and obesity from their food than fall from balconies. The death is just slower. Those who die from peanut allergies or choking to death on hot dogs and grapes are faster though.

 

[matt wade]

I've noticed the same people who worship obama are also jackson worshippers, he like obama can do no wrong. People want to worship, but they appear to want to worship men, not the creator of men.

I'm not a worshipper of either, so I hope you weren't talking about me. For the record, I personally believe that Jackson was a mentally ill person and anyone who let their children be around him unsupervised should have their children taken away from them.

I'm also not a fan of Obama. I've never supported him in any fashion.

 

[matt wade]

you may have been neglectful and endangered your child's life, but I have not. And he did it on purpose, even worse.

I didn't expect you to be honest about it. I do endanger my life and the life of my children every time I get into a car. I'm shameful that you can't admit that you do the same.

As I stated before, auto mobile accidents are the number 1 killer of people between the ages of 1 and 25. With that being the fact, it is simple to conclude that driving in a car with your child is endangering them. It's risk that, unfortunately, we must take may times...but a risk all the same.

 

[Amy.G]

must[/B] take may times...but a risk all the same.

Is dangling my child over a balcony a risk I must take? Or is it a foolish risk done only to gain attention for myself?

 

[Pastor Larry]

It is amazing that some are equating normal foods and normal activities with hanging a baby over a balcony. And for what reason? To pretend that Jackson wasn't really a bad parent? Just to be contrary? What's the deal?

Surely we have not gone so far as to think that peanut butter sandwiches are equal to dangling our babies over balconies. What a joke ...

 

[matt wade]

Is dangling my child over a balcony a risk I must take? Or is it a foolish risk done only to gain attention for myself?

Oh, I agree with you. Personally I won't hold my child over a balcony. It's a choice I choose not to make. The point, however, is that everyone is up in arms about MJ holding his kid over a balcony, but they themselves put their children in risky situations everyday.

I think he made a stupid choice. Minimizing the risk to your child in every way possible is obviously the best choice.

 

[Amy.G]

Oh, I agree with you. Personally I won't hold my child over a balcony. It's a choice I choose not to make. The point, however, is that everyone is up in arms about MJ holding his kid over a balcony, but they themselves put their children in risky situations everyday.

I think he made a stupid choice. Minimizing the risk to your child in every way possible is obviously the best choice.

Then why are you defending his actions?


I think it's perfectly normal to be up in arms over anybody dangling their baby over a balcony, whether it's Michael Jackson or my next door neighbor.

 

[matt wade]

Then why are you defending his actions?


I think it's perfectly normal to be up in arms over anybody dangling their baby over a balcony, whether it's Michael Jackson or my next door neighbor.

Why am I defending his actions? I'm not defending MJ's actions, but the actions of parents to parent their child as they see fit. Holding your child over the balcony is not causing more risk to your child than driving in a car, yet we say one is ok and the other is not. Obviously there are some actions we should police and restrict parents from doing, but something like this is just a stupid stunt on MJ's part and not something to be up in arms about.

 

[matt wade]

Heck, Steve Irwin took his baby into an enclosed area with crocodiles. That's more dangerous than holding your kid over a balcony, but I'll defend Irwin's right to do what he did as well.

 

[Amy.G]

I can't get the quotes to work right today, so I'll not use them but Matt, I think what gets people "up in arms" is that Michael Jackson seems to have been lifted up to such a level that he cannot be criticized for anything. The balcony incident was just one in a long history of bizarre behavior of a messed up individual. Steve Irwin was a fool as well for putting his child near a man eating crocodile. Nothing justifies the deliberate endangerment of a child.

 

[Pastor Larry]

Holding your child over the balcony is not causing more risk to your child than driving in a car

What in the world? How can you say this? It is a very faulty argument. No reasonable person, and no reasonable use of logic and argumentation will support this.

 

[matt wade]

What in the world? How can you say this? It is a very faulty argument. No reasonable person, and no reasonable use of logic and argumentation will support this.

We an agree to disagree then. I've held many objects over a balcony at some point in my life and none of those objects has ever been dropped or had any harm come to it. On the other hand, I've driven in a car many times and been in several accidents. I know people that have died in car accidents.

I don't know how strong you are or what level of confidence you have in your "holding" ability, but I have no problem holding onto 20 pounds of kid and not dropping it. I've carried my kids all over the place and never once dropped them. If I were to hold them over a balcony I'd also not drop them. I can't express the same level of confidence about getting in a car with them.

 

[Pastor Larry]

You've read a lot of studies about holding kids over balconies, have you?

That's the point, Matt. Your comparison is invalid because it compares two entirely different issues with entirely different samples. You can't compare holding "many objects" over a balcony to holding babies over a balcony. You can't compare carrying a baby to holding a baby over a balcony. It's just a nonsensical comparison. It doesn't make sense.

Furthermore, you can't compare those relatively infrequent occurrences with something that happens billions of times every day. There is not enough of a sample to determine if one is more dangerous than the other.

It would be like saying Toronto is a bad place to go because the only time I was there I ended up in the hospital needing back surgery. I never got that in Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, or Sao Paulo, which means all those other places are safer.

It's just a bad comparison.

Furthermore you know it because you have probably taken thousands of car rides with your children, and you have never held your child over a balcony. Why? Because your recognize the comparative danger is not really comparative at all.

So it's just a bad argument.

 

[Revmitchell]

There is a valley of difference between driving a car and holding a child over the balcony.

 

[LadyEagle]

Page 4, closed. Off topic, anyway. LE