Mitt Romney and the Platform his Presidential Nomination Gives Mormonism to Expand

THE question....?

Zaac....I'm no Romney supporter...per/se...I have Mormon relatives who I pray for that are terribly deceived religiously and I also don't like the fact that he has flip-flopped in the past on all of the most important moral issues that I as a Christian stand for. I also don't think it is possible for ANY truly born-again Christian to be right with God and vote for somebody like Obama so that is a no-brainer for me. SN's previous comments about the Constitution Party and the Libertarians ring true as well (I voted for Chuck Baldwin in 08) and the CP doesn't even have ballot access in enough states to make a difference this time (how many times have you even heard Virgil Goode's name either on TV OR the internet lately?)
THE real question is...what other choices do we have? I submit the answer is NONE. As a Christian I am terribly conflicted by what I see. As an American who treasures my freedom to vote and participate in the right I have to do so I don't feel right about abstaining from the process. AS AN AMERICAN I'm afraid that this time there is no 100% comfortable and good answer to any of these questions.
As a Christian I have to remember that Romans 13 teaches that "the powers that be are ordained of God" and even Obama would not have ultimately won the White House unless God had ordained it to be so. I believe God has an ultimate purpose in what He either directly causes or even (if it's possible) allows. I personally believe at least a part of His purpose in allowing the current occupant of the WH and his horrendous public policies is to give the people of this country a taste of the fruits of their national sins and earnestly begin to bring judgement upon us for them. It is, in my opinion, a clear call to repentance first to the people of God and then to the lost. As Christians...we (easily) say we "want the will of God". My contention is...THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GETTING RIGHT NOW! Whoever wins the White House in this election cycle will just be MORE OF THE SAME.
Here's a twisted sort of question...given what Roman's 13 apparently teaches...are we, as Christians, voting AGAINST the will of God if we vote against Obama?...that is IF judgement is God's will for America? How's THAT for a brain teaser? The truth is...a Romney Presidency may just be a continuation of that(judgement) in another form. Think about it.
Unfortunately, unless you just decide to stay home and not vote...it appears that the only choice we have as Christians is to vote for the one that "at least" professes to hold the same general moral standards that we embrace. The only thing that the media is giving much depth to in their reporting is the economic issues and as far as that goes Romney is (in my opinion) the clear choice simply because he knows how to apply sound business principles to the problems we have in that respect. Obama doesn't even have a clue. He thinks like Robin Hood....rob from the rich and give to the poor...typical socialism. Anyway...that's all I got for now...let the games continue.:type:

By the way Zaac...who ARE you voting for....if I may be so direct as to ask? (as for me....I guess I'm gonna have to hold my nose and vote for Romney....at least that's what I'm thinking right now....!):smilewinkgrin:


Bro.Gregraying:

 

It is obvious that a nerve has been touched.:laugh:

 

Zaac- A consistent theme in your anti-Romney posts/threads is that you are opposed to him because he is a "false god worshipper". My question to you is, who do you think Barak Obama worships?

If I were to go by your logic as I understand it, I must be opposed to to anyone but Chrisians holding office- from federal to state to county to local. It is just not practical; and were it so, I believe that the freedom to practice our religion would evolve into a state church of sorts.

Though I disagree with the truth of Mitt Romney's religion as much as I disagree with the hypocrisy of Barak Obama's adherence to whatever Christianity he believes, they are the only two viable candidates to choose from at this time. Any write in or third party vote cast is a vote that is worthless...except for the value that it makes one feel righteous.

 

Profound Answer...

My profound answer to that statement?? YYYYEP!!!:smilewinkgrin:

Bro.Greg

 

Let'r Rip.....!

Zaac...I know that is what your OP is about and the truth is that it is almost 100% certain that a Romney presidency would almost certainly lead to an expansion of the Mormon (so-called) "Church". As for Christians...our salvation or the growth of the true church of the Lord Jesus Christ is not now, nor ever will be found in secular politics or elected politicians of any stripe. As for the premise of your thread...well I think the biggest CURRENT example of your premise is the rise and expansion of ISLAM inside the borders of the USA since Barack Obama took office.....so yes....the mormons would probably get a boost just like the muslims have. Either way it is for false religion that is Satanically inspired.

By the way...I am intrigued by your apparent support for writing in someone in lieu of the other options that we are having forced upon us. May I ask who you would support as a write-in? Is it someone nationally known? If so, I assume they would be a Bible-Believing Christian that holds to orthodox fundamentally sound Bible beliefs? I'm curious and I am serious. I'd like another option myself for the same reasons you state. I have believed for soem time now that Christians will be held answerable and responsible at the JSOC for their choices about things such as this. A clear conscience means much to me. I want to do that which honors God. He is ALL that matters...amen?raying:

Bro.Greg:thumbsup:

 

Zaac's posting technique is typically a lot of hyperbole mixed with innuendo. In the interest of public service, I hereby offer a translation of the posts made by Zaac in this thread.

Zaac: "I'm an equal opportunity troll."

Zaac: "This board is rife with spiritual blindness, the majority of the spiritually blind are Romney supporters."

Zaac: "RevMitchell gets his wisdom from the devil."

Zaac: "LadyEagle has made electing Romney into an idol."

Zaac: "Most of the people on BB have wicked hearts."

Zaac: "Romney has so mesmerized LadyEagle that she now bears false witness."

Zaac: "Arbo is a liar."

Really, I don't understand how LadyEagle, in her role as moderator, lets this guy continue to post. He basically insults people and calls into question their witness and their spiritual maturity, along with their motivations for posting.

 

Mormons are already starting to make the effort to spread Mormonism? It's a built-in feature of their religion and has been occurring for decades.

Mandatory missionary trips for the youth. Bicycling prosyletizers in the city and suburbs. Door-to-door visitation efforts. Slickly produced TV ads. Mass mailing of literature, etc. etc.

While this pains me to say, I kind of agree with Zaac. A president who is a Mormon will give an air of legitimacy to the religion and possibly break down knee jerk objections to Mormonism. I differ as to the extent of the platform that a President Romney would give to Mormonism. As LadyEagle has said, there was no mass conversion to Catholicism during JFK's presidency. Harry Reid and Orrin Hatch are not national spokesmen for Mormonism. They don't preach it.

 

I don't moderate this forum/thread. Otherwise, I would delete out the personal attacks. LE

 

Leveling accusations of lying is a tactic used by debaters that have nothing left to offer in defense of their side. Please show me where I have repeatedly lied, since you have repeatedly said that I have...and make sure it is a lie and not a difference of opinion or a misunderstanding.

On the first point I would agree if it were so, but because they are not running I must disagree on the second.

It is my right. There are places where this has not always been the case, so I view the excercise of my right to be my duty.

Local politics. Where I live it is not normally an issue. If one of the candidates wanted to bring that kind of thing to town, then it would be; and I'd vote accordingly.

Of course He is sovereign.

Every candidate who is not a child of His is against Christ by default. You may do as you like, but I do not believe it is good stewardship of my citizenship to abstain from voting unless a born-again Christian is running. I am not a single-issue voter.

Name me one truly viable candidate who has any chance whatsoever of getting more than ten percent of the popular vote.

I'm not sure that irreversible damage hasn't already been done, but that doesn't mean I click my heels and hope it all gets better on its own.

You should move to Montana and establish your own Zaac-kingdom/compound, since you hold the United States in such low esteem as to give up on it so readily.

My answer to the first question: Responsible. My answer to the second: Not at all, but I would like to think that I had used my vote more wisely.

 

Oh, OK. I didn't even see that this was General Baptist Discussion. Given the subject matter I thought it was in Politics.

Shouldn't it be moved there?

 

Really????

ITL...I'm certainly NOT "rubberstamping" everything that Zaac has said in his responses in either this thread or any other I have seen him post in but I have been following "the point" he is trying to get across. I think that point is..in my opinion... that Gov. Romney is, by Biblical definition, a member of a false,Satanically inspired religion that is not worthy of the votes of PROFESSED Bible-Believing Christians. His viewpoint is a valid one and worthy of consideration no matter what conclusions we all come to.

That said....some of his responses are "over-the-top" but I personally believe that he is responding out of a growing sense of frustration that comes when otherwise normal, seemingly orthodox Christians apparently CLOSE THEIR BIBLES and begin making their political decisions based on the wisdom of this world. In my opinion, being a Republican and being a Christian are NOT necessarily synonymous with one another. Not sure if they ever were but even more cetain now that they aren't. Actually, our citizenship is in another country (Heaven). We are supposed to be more about helping to "birth" new citizens into a "far Country"...amen?:thumbsup:

Bro.Gregraying:

 

If the acid test for voting for someone is their theology then no one in my lifetime would deserve a vote from a born-again Christian.

Jesus said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." I don't look to political candidates for theology. I look to political candidates to carry out my positions on governmental issues.

There are very few political positions advocated in the Bible. I can think of one--you don't work, you don't eat. Otherwise I don't see any advice regarding trade policies, tax rates, defense issues, environmentalism, etc. In the Bible.

Agreed. But if a candidate wants to take more of my money via taxes and give it to freeloaders that violates a Biblical principle AND deprives me of money to give to the Lord's work to help win souls to Christ.

Or if a candidate wants to provide for abortion on demand that violates Biblical commands as well. I can't sit on my hands and say I shouldn't take action against such policies.

 

That's not innuendo. That's a statement of fact.