….I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save Slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy Slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
Abraham Lincoln
http://www.nytimes.com/1862/08/24/n...-greeley-slavery-union-restoration-union.html
Most Evil Person in American History
Discussion in 'History Forum' started by saturneptune, Dec 12, 2013.
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Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Bro. Curtis <img src =/curtis.gif>Site Supporter
Alex Haley's book has been completely discredited. You should not be telling people to use it as a source for accurate info on anything.
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The Southern States wanted to secede from the Union and there is nothing in the Constitution to prevent this. Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union and did so one could argue that Lincoln was the cause of the Civil War!.
I have always believed that the country is fortunate the Union was preserved. However the so-called Reconstruction was essentially a rape of the South and set it back for about 100 years.
Given that the radical leftists, who dominate most of the Northern states, are leading the country down the road to bankruptcy it is not beyond possible that some of the red states will again secede unless there is a drastic change in the direction of the country soon! -
Those that deny the monstrosity of Slavery caused the Civil War simply are engaged in cognitive dissonance.
1) Why did the southern states secede when Lincoln was elected. Slavery!
2) Why did the south fire on Fort Sumner? Slavery
3) Why did the evil leaders of the south lead their brave sons into war? Slavery
Slavery was a godless evil murderous enterprise, and all the so-called "other causes" trace back to the preservation of slavery. -
Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Not sure what your point is.
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And the Marxism that you and your demigod, Obama, espouse knows morality? How many millions died under the tender hand of Stalin, starved in so-called White Russia or perished in Siberia. How many millions died in China under the tender hand of Mao.
Perhaps worse are the millions of people in this country who are in bondage to the tender Marxism of people like you and the democrat party, who are in bondage to the plantation mentality introduced and propagated by the Marxist democrat party.
It is also a fact that Yankees owned slaves and the Emancipation Proclamation did nothing to end slavery in the north. The post by Bro. Curtis clearly shows that ending slavery was not the goal of Lincoln. He was perfectly willing to use slavery in whatever way enabled him to preserve the Union. Does that make him an evil man? -
Perhaps you should blame Eli Whitney, the inventor of the cotton gin, which made the raising of cotton profitable but also demanded cheap labor. Actually slave labor was not that cheap and eventually would have collapsed because of economics.
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Yes, C4K, there is no debate, the truth is obvious to all.
I think the reason some assert to this day that Slavery was not the cause is to avoid admitting the south was on the wrong side. Their mantra is "the north was as bad, the north had slaves, the north was engaged in a greedy land grab, and on and on. -
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In my initial post regarding the War between the States I said:
#1. Post #30 by thisnumbersdisconnected. A very interesting read.
#2. Post #41
#3. From http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/why-did-the-south-secede/. A long but inciteful read for those interested in the truth.
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Hi Salty, until the sons of the south face up to the fact the war was fought because the South would not give up slavery, debating this subject is like debating KJVonlyism. No amount of rational evidence with be accepted, only dismissed using absurd argument.
Lincoln triangulated the issue, speaking not directly against slavery, but for preserving the Union. But, liking speaking for a women's right to choose, the actual issue is the right to murder the unborn. The south calls it "States Rights" and the north calls it "save the Union" but the monstrosity of slavery is at its core.
1) The process of adding new non-slave states to the Union, but not adding a like number of slave states, was thought to threaten in the future, the right to slavery in the existing slave states. See the Texas statement.
2) Lincoln addressed not interfering with the existing states, yet clearly was for not adding any more slave states. So the South saw Lincoln as a threat to the preservation of slavery. -
Crabtownboy Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
From The Texas Ordinance of Secession - (February 2, 1861)
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There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents any state from seceding from the Union; that is a fact! Lincoln's unconstitutional action to prevent the secession of the South makes "him" the cause of the bloodiest war in US history!
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Putting all the above remarks about Lincoln and the War of Northern Aggression aside I would say that the most evil men in American History are the Seven Black Robed Justices that issued the Roe V Wade decision and all those who support and perform abortions are the most evil of men. The number of unborn children who have been slaughtered as the result of the actions of these people and those, including some on this Forum, who support them is in excess of 55,000,000.
Estimates of those who died as a result of Lincoln's unconstitutional action range as high as 800,000.
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