But despite that he wouldn't have passed through the hoops of some of the churches discussed above! In any event the biblical pattern is of gifting and character being matured through discipleship by existing leaders. A piece of paper says nothing about gifting or character for leadership, only the ability to pass exams.
But despite that he wouldn't have passed through the hoops of some of the churches discussed above! In any event the biblical pattern is of gifting and character being matured through discipleship by existing leaders. A piece of paper says nothing about gifting or character for leadership, only the ability to pass exams. </font>[/QUOTE]And some who can pass the exams have not the gift or charactor for leadership.
What would be more troubling is after it is shown that Dispensationalism was believed in the first couple of centuries an no sign of covenant teaching till the 3rd century.
With no proof, make a blanket statement that Dispensationalist area new.
I believe it is your ture can you show the Covenant belife system in the first couples of centurys?
for Y'all who do not beliveve Dispensationalism
How did God deal with man before the law?
Why was Cain not put to death?
Was Jacob sinning when he married sisiters?
"I believe it is your ture can you show the Covenant belife system in the first couples of centurys? "
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Well no. Still the following gives some perspective. http://spindleworks.com/library/CR/clark.htm
I like I said:
"What would be more troubling is after it is shown that Dispensationalism was believed in the first couple of centuries an no sign of covenant teaching till the 3rd century."
the link you gave starts (late 300's) and (early 400's.)
You gave 2nd century proof of theologians believing in different dispensations, which is not the same as proving the existance of Dispensationalism as a complete theological system.
Simple really. In Dispensationalist theology, the existance of different dispensations is a key part part of a larger theological system. One can believe in different dispensations without seeing them as especially significant ( I do and so did a lot of early Christian thinkers).
most no-denoms I have ran into say they follow Baptists beliefs, but when you ask them a few questions like do you bnelieve Once Saved Always Saved they say no,
or their stand on tongues the believe it's for today, I'v asked 12 people that I ran into that say they was Non-denom 11 said this
only 1 said the believe salvation is forever and don't believe Speaking In Tongues is for today I don't think that non-denom follow Baptist beliefs but other religions
you got to ask questions to find out what's out there
If that what you think Dispensationalist theology teaches you do not have a hint what it teaches.
Dispensationalist theology first teaches that in every dispensation that God saves by grace.
The different dispensation is God showing man the need for that grace in different ways so man is left without and excuse.
I would think that if non-denoms believe their salvation isn't secure, and that tongues are for today, makes them not like Baptist in doctrine.
Sounds to me more like Assembly of God. I am a Baptist, and I don't consider both of these points a gray area.
I believe it is a marked difference. A person that thinks their salvation can be lost is partially motivated by fear. And when it comes to tongues, there are many cults that also speak in tongues.