Mother of 9 shot and killed

[Baptist Believer]

Am I prjudice agains trans, ect - YEs - I am - and I am not ashamed of it.

We may have different definitions of prejudice (pre-judging condemnation in my view), so I'm wondering how your "prejudice" lines up with the example of Jesus and Paul dealing with notorious sinners.

But I can still show Christian love to these individuals.....

Not if they believe you condemn them. John 3;16-17 tells us that God reaches out to sinners with love and self-sacrifice, not condemnation. You can't express "Christian" love in the context of such a position.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Does anyone recall the two times that Barney Fife dressed up like a woman in "The Andy Griffith Show"? 60 years ago it was seen as funny scenes. Not sure they would be seen the same nowadays.

Yep. That's drag. Bugs Bunny in women's clothing is also drag. Shakespeare was originally performed with all female characters performed by men in drag. That's what drag shows are about -- persons dressing in costume (often cross-dressing) for the purposes of comedy and/or social commentary.

 

[Baptist Believer]

I would never go up to someone and do such. I would try to move on and avoid them, but I am too much of an introvert to go up to someone and say such things..

I believe you are selling yourself short.

I don't think you would go up to someone and say hateful, harmful, and judgmental things because you are a decent person, not just because you are an introvert. In fact, I suspect that being an introvert would have very little to do with it because you don't come across as a hateful person around here.

 

[KenH]

Yep. That's drag. Bugs Bunny in women's clothing is also drag. Shakespeare was originally performed with all female characters performed by men in drag. That's what drag shows are about -- persons dressing in costume (often cross-dressing) for the purposes of comedy and/or social commentary.

Years ago at work(like around 35 years ago) there would be a show at work for the yearly United Way drive, with various employees putting on acts - sometimes musical, sometimes funny. The funniest was a fellow member of the Church of Christ I attended, and not an outlandish person at all, who dressed up like a woman and did a dance(nothing indecent) to the song, "(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman". It was hilarious.

 

[canadyjd]

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It is now a curse to you, since even after reading what I have written, you keep pushing your prejudice. If you are a disciple of Jesus, you are now obligated (by Jesus, not me) to re-evaluate your position and do some basic research before you continue with your prejudices and uninformed positions.

Let’s review….

1. I stated the truth that your friend (that YOU identified as transitioning to she) was not transitioning, but rather mentally ill and in need of counseling to help him accept the reality of his gender

2. I stated that if your friend was dressing as a woman and performing in front of children, he was grooming them for sexual exploitation and is disgusting.

You now respond by….

1. Pronouncing a curse upon me

2. Questioning my salvation by saying “if you are a disciple of Jesus…..

3. Linking my salvation to my rejecting the truth that trans ideology is evil, embrace full bore trans ideology, turn my children over to the drag queens and Marxists teachers grooming them for sexual exploitation, spend all my time researching the various aspects of trans ideology while never condemning it

4. and shut up until BB has decided I’ve been re-educated to his satisfaction.

My only response to you is WOW!!!! You really get vicious when you lose a debate because you are attempting to defend pure evil.

peace to you

 

[Van]

You should have never done that. We have always needed critical thinking and healthy skepticism.

But unfortunately, many people discover that journalists are not always unbiased and that makes them cynical of being able to determine what is actually true -- especially concerning persons and situations they tend not to agree with.

I read information from a wide variety of sources and tend to trust those sources that I find consistently match the objective facts I can find. Within the last few years, a great way to evaluate media sources is to find reporting on documents (bill in Congress, court cases, indictments, reports of investigations, etc.) and then read the entire document and determine whether or not the document's contents are being accurately reported. That wipes out a lot of media sources on both the left and right.

It takes some time, but it is worth it.

Yeah, middle schoolers are well known for their healthy skepticism and critical thinking.

Some of them probably have discerned the godless left is way worse than evangelical right.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Yeah, middle schoolers are well known for their healthy skepticism and critical thinking.

They can be.

In fourth or fifth grade, we had a unit in school on basic critical thinking that analyzed common persuasive messages in commercials, media, and politics. It was my introduction to formal training in critical thinking and it helped me logically analyze the emotional and rational arguments made to persuade. I don't know if that was part of the statewide curriculum in Texas (probably not, given what has happened here), but it was one of the most valuable skills taught in my elementary years.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Let’s review….

1. I stated the truth that your friend (that YOU identified as transitioning to she) was not transitioning, but rather mentally ill and in need of counseling to help him accept the reality of his gender

Sure you stated that. Describing someone as transitioning is describing something that occurs in our society. It does not connote agreement with the process.

2. I stated that if your friend was dressing as a woman and performing in front of children, he was grooming them for sexual exploitation and is disgusting.

Yes, you said something to that effect. In your ignorance, you assume trans persons and drag queens are the same thing. Moreover, your ignorance of drag performance causes you to assume that a drag queen/king is a sexual performer. Does Bugs Bunny in a dress groom children for sexual exploitation? If so, then you need to be critical of Looney Tunes. If not, then you need to reconsider your assertions.

You now respond by….

1. Pronouncing a curse upon me

Nope. I have done no such that. I pointed out that as someone who claims the name of Christ, YOUR IGNORANCE is a curse to you since you have now received a word of correction and you are responsible to Jesus for every word.

2. Questioning my salvation by saying “if you are a disciple of Jesus…..

That's a conditional statement that points out your responsibility to Jesus. Disciples of Jesus are bound by His teaching. I'm pointing you to Jesus. You are really trying hard to be the victim here.

3. Linking my salvation to my rejecting the truth that trans ideology is evil, embrace full bore trans ideology, turn my children over to the drag queens and Marxists teachers grooming them for sexual exploitation, spend all my time researching the various aspects of trans ideology while never condemning it

You seem to be having a mental break of some sort. All of that is coming out of your imagination.

4. and shut up until BB has decided I’ve been re-educated to his satisfaction.

Uh, no. I'm not a control freak.

My only response to you is WOW!!!!

I have the same response to you.

You really get vicious when you lose a debate...

I haven't "lost" anything, nor am I attempting to debate. The viciousness is coming from inside you.

...because you are attempting to defend pure evil./QUOTE]
Not even close. I have made no attempt to defend trans views. I simply recognize the reality of them and the perceptions of people who experience gender dysphoria. I HAVE asserted that at least one person I know regularly gets attacked by others, especially "Christians," who seem to think it is important to do so. I also have asserted that people who experience gender dysphoria are persons made in the image of God and they deserve to be treatment lovingly and with respect, especially from people who claim to be disciples of Jesus.

 

[canadyjd]

Sure you stated that. Describing someone as transitioning is describing something that occurs in our society. It does not connote agreement with the process.


Yes, you said something to that effect. In your ignorance, you assume trans persons and drag queens are the same thing. Moreover, your ignorance of drag performance causes you to assume that a drag queen/king is a sexual performer. Does Bugs Bunny in a dress groom children for sexual exploitation? If so, then you need to be critical of Looney Tunes. If not, then you need to reconsider your assertions.


Nope. I have done no such that. I pointed out that as someone who claims the name of Christ, YOUR IGNORANCE is a curse to you since you have now received a word of correction and you are responsible to Jesus for every word.


That's a conditional statement that points out your responsibility to Jesus. Disciples of Jesus are bound by His teaching. I'm pointing you to Jesus. You are really trying hard to be the victim here.


You seem to be having a mental break of some sort. All of that is coming out of your imagination.


Uh, no. I'm not a control freak.


I have the same response to you.


I haven't "lost" anything, nor am I attempting to debate. The viciousness is coming from inside you.

Drag shows are highly sexual. Your statement to the contrary is not ignorance, since you are an expert in drag and trans, so it must be deliberate deception.

Do you believe it is appropriate for a five year old to attend a drag show?

Do you believe your friend that is “transitioning to she” is mentally ill?

Do you believe your friend will be better off getting counseling to accept the realty of their biological gender or getting surgery to make him appear to be a woman?

BTW, I don’t need a lecture on following Christ from someone making excuses for trans ideology and attacking those that oppose trans ideology being taught to children.

Judge yourself and your own walk with Christ. Logs and splinters and all that.

peace to you

 

[Baptist Believer]

Drag shows are highly sexual.

I'm sure that some are, but that's not necessarily the norm.

Your statement to the contrary is not ignorance, since you are an expert in drag and trans, so it must be deliberate deception.

I have not claimed to be an expert. You are simply making that up.

Do you believe it is appropriate for a five year old to attend a drag show?

Parents make that decision, not me. But if I were a parent, I don't think I would let a child attend. I don't like costume shows at all and I have no interest in drag or drag culture. But as an elementary school kid of 7-years-old, I our town had a festival celebrating 75 years of existence and one of the events was a parody of a beauty pageant where some well known male figures in town competed in women's clothing to win the pageant title. The winner happened to be my elementary PE coach. It was silly and funny and didn't sexually "groom" anyone, but it was clearly a drag show. My parents didn't have any concerns, and I think they were correct in their decision.

Do you believe your friend that is “transitioning to she” is mentally ill?

I KNOW he is mentally ill, but the gender dysphoria part of the equation is the least of my concerns. He is dealing with massive trauma that is affecting his life in many other ways.

Do you believe your friend will be better off getting counseling to accept the realty of their biological gender...

I doubt that's the focus of his therapy. Gender dysphoria may only be a symptom of other issues. Beyond that, he has some physical sexual abnormalities that likely affect his endocrine system, so there may also be a biological root to his gender dysphoria.

...or getting surgery to make him appear to be a woman?

I am opposed to surgery for him, but it is not my choice. Moreover, a person considering sex change surgery has to go through quite of bit of psychological and psychiatric evaluation before it is recommended. I don't think he would qualify.

BTW, I don’t need a lecture on following Christ from someone supporting trans ideology in kindergarten.

You need to tell that person, not me.

But you do need to hear what Jesus has to say about telling the truth. You will be held accountable for every word.

 

[canadyjd]

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I have not claimed to be an expert. You are simply making that up….. I don't like costume shows at all and I have no interest in drag or drag culture.…..

And yet you lecture me about being ignorant of drag and trans culture and proclaim I am cursed since you have reveal the truth about it and I still speak out against it.

We have dragged this thread way off course. I’m bowing out.

peace to you

 

[Baptist Believer]

And yet you lecture me about being ignorant of drag and trans culture and proclaim I am cursed since you have reveal the truth about it and I still speak out against it.

That's just a false accusation to try to paint yourself as a victim again. That gets really old.

We have dragged this thread way off course. I’m bowing out.

No, YOU have dragged it way off course. But I'm glad that you are at least taking partial responsibility for your conduct. That's a start.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Thread closed. ~sigh~
SO