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mRNA vaccine question.

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by 37818, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. Andre

    Andre Well-Known Member

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    You appear to believe that since you have eternity ahead of you, you can therefore recklessly throw your life away?

    Wow, what a way to look at this.
     
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    Yet more disinformation (does anything true some from you guys?).

    From Johns Hopkins:

    MYTH: Researchers rushed the development of the COVID-19 vaccine, so its effectiveness and safety cannot be trusted.

    FACT:
    Studies found that the two initial vaccines are both about 95% effective — and reported no serious or life-threatening side effects. There are many reasons why the COVID-19 vaccines could be developed so quickly. Here are just a few:

    • The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were created with a method that has been in development for years, so the companies could start the vaccine development process early in the pandemic.
    • China isolated and shared genetic information about COVID-19 promptly, so scientists could start working on vaccines.
    • The vaccine developers didn’t skip any testing steps, but conducted some of the steps on an overlapping schedule to gather data faster.
    • Vaccine projects had plenty of resources, as governments invested in research and/or paid for vaccines in advance.
    • Some types of COVID-19 vaccines were created using messenger RNA (mRNA), which allows a faster approach than the traditional way that vaccines are made.
    • Social media helped companies find and engage study volunteers, and many were willing to help with COVID-19 vaccine research.
    • Because COVID-19 is so contagious and widespread, it did not take long to see if the vaccine worked for the study volunteers who were vaccinated.
    • Companies began making vaccines early in the process — even before FDA authorization — so some supplies were ready when authorization occurred.
     
  3. JonC

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    I do believe we have to consider the sin of tempting God with some of these issues.

    If I am having a heart attack but refuse to go to a doctor because God is in control, then perhaps God had appointed that time for me to die - not because of the heart attack but because I was tempting Him.

    It can be argued to be the same with refusing the vaccine. God gives us an effective treatment yet Christians refuse because they want God to protect them without trusting in His provisions.
     
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  4. JonC

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    There are serious side effects (primarily if somebody is allergic to an ingredent) but this is rare (.0026% risk...much safer than not being vaccinated). The risk is to those allergic to an ingredient without knowing it.
     
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    Taking the vaccine can also be like stepping out in front of a speeding semi and saying I’ll be alright I’m a Christian. In both cases those things have caused people to die needlessly.
     
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  6. JonC

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    Actually, it cannot.

    Taking the vaccine is more like a doctor saying you need to take medicine for your heart because while the medication has a very low risk you are at a much greater risk of dying without it.

    I do not mind people refusing the vaccine. I do mind the hyprocacy of those who do refuse the vaccine yet take other medicines.

    More than that, it is troubling that some will dismiss the 1% to 2% chance they will die of covid yet cry like the sky is falling about a vaccine that has a .0026% of serious side-effects.
     
  7. Andre

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    How can you possibly believe this is a valid line of argument?

    Do you guys ever post anything that is not misinformation? I challenge you - find a post, any post, from anyone on your side of this issue that does not contain significant distortions of fact or appeals to utterly irreputable sources.

    Again, you are distorting - you correctly identify the risk of an adverse reaction to the vaccine, but you remain, conveniently of course, silent on the risk conferred by covid.

    A high school student would know that the appropriate comparison is between the risk conferred by the vaccine and the risk posed by covid.

    But you cannot afford to so this, since it would utterly undermine your position. So you frame the issue in a misleading way.
     
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  8. Bible Scanned

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    Copy @Andre

    Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA technology about adverse events associated with vaccinations - reports getting deleted and sensored, and how it's all branded "misinformation". See especially from 18:55, and remember, these vaccines are all still experimental.

    For those who responsibly decide what to allow into your bodies and what not to allow into your bodies, no one has the right to attempt to psychologically bully you into doing anything you are not comfortable with.

     
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    I know you've posted your last reply in this thread, but just saying, those who are rushing into taking the vaccine are showing that they trust in man, before anyone (including those who have developed these vaccines) even knows if they are safe or if they could cause serious health issues in months or years to come. I posted up in my previous post here what Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA technology said in July 20201 about adverse events associated with vaccinations, reports on those adverse reactions getting deleted and sensored, and how it's all branded "misinformation", as well as how he eventually goes into all the unknowns regarding the vaccines.

    Like I said earlier, the world's response to Covid-19 is unhinged, IMO. Reasonable thought-processes have been thrown out the window and the world has gone into the twilight zones.
     
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    95%. That means that the percentage of people who contract Covid-19 and die of it is much, much lower than the percentage of people who develop side-effects from the experimental vaccines.
     
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    No.

    The vaccine is 95% effective in preventing illness from covid.

    You have about a 2% chance of dying from covid (average person, ignoring vaccination status).

    You have a .002% chance of dying post-vaccination regardless of that death being connected to an actual vaccine.

    The unvaccinated who get covid are 11x more likely to die than the vaccinated who get covid.
     
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  12. Wingman68

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    https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/...opy-reveals-graphene-oxide-in-cov-19-vaccines

    What if we find out that the vaxed are causing the unvaxed to become ill & die? That is not unthinkable. What if we found out that the very swabs that they use for ‘testing’ to run through their sham test is coated with an oxide that could then cause similar reactions? We know that the shot itself causes similar reactions which they can simply call ‘breakthrough cases’. Why is the protocol to have you stay home & do nothing until you are so ill that you may then qualify for some near lethal treatment of remdisivir? It’s almost like it’s a plan, yeah, a plandemic.
     
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    It is misleading, in my opinion, to compare not getting the vaccine to not going to the hospital when having a heart attack.

    The latter results in certain death within hours or days. The former has not been determined to have any “certain” effect to the person or anyone else.

    If you are unvaccinated, and are exposed to the virus, you will survive at 99.9+ %, unless you are elderly with preexisting conditions, which drops survival chance to about 95%.

    If you don’t seek medical care for a heart attack, well we know that is about 100% fatal.

    Peace to you
     
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    actually it can
     
  16. JonC

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    I agree.

    A better example would be a doctor telling you to take a medication, that while the medication has a low risk of negative effects without it you have a much greater risk of death. And you refuse the medication because of the risk.

    I think you may want to reexamine your data on surviving covid. It is outdated (many young, healthy people have died).
     
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    And your data will become outdated as well, probably already has, they just don’t want to tell anyone until they force it on everyone. Red Cross want your blood donation? You cannot donate convalescent plasma after the vaccine.

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  18. JonC

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    Of course, or it would not have been approved in the first place.

    Most of the time medications are recalled for two reasons - contamination and multiple drug interactions within a medication.

    I also worry about contamination. The biggest risk is...or was....the suspension for the vacvines as they were rolled out.

    That said, to stop believing medicines can help because some are recalled is very strange logic.

    More cars are recalled for safety reasons than are medications. Do you drive?
     
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    You really don’t get how lame this sounds? Where’s the ballpark? You’re not even close.
     
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    No. It applies. You complain that medicines have been pulled by the FDA concluding that the vaccines available to us should not be used.

    That is like saying Toyota recalled vehicles for safety reasons so we should not drive our Fords.
     
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