No attacks here, I agree :thumbs:
Music
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by HAMel, May 18, 2011.
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Did someone suggest that young people should be lured into the church by offering up rock music?
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maybe I need to get my 18 year old daughter to tell you what drew her to the church....I can tell you this, it wasn't rock and roll music...
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"Salvation, O, the Name I love"
"Grace, 'Tis a Charming Sound"
"Amazing Grace"
"Jesus Grant us a Blessing"
"A Poor Wayfaring Stranger"
"The Day is Past and Gone"
"Tarry with Me, O, My Saviour"
"On Jordan's Stormy Banks"
"Jesus Left His Home in Glory"
"Sweet Glories Rush Upon My Sight"
These are just a FEW of the good'uns we sing in the ORBs people. Praise His sweet name for saving a WRETCH like me!! Hallelujah!!!
i am I AM's!!
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Water down the gospel and gain a watered down believer. With some music one just gets a headache instead of a heartbreak. Break the heart and win the soul.
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HAMel said: ↑Music is universal. Every culture, every nation, every person has their music.
Having grown up in the 1950's and early 60's I'm prone to rock and roll music. My parents loved the big band era. Later, came the disco beat, then came the rock music which rolled over to the hard rock scene. Some like the
country western beat. Others, classical music. Some people like Southern Gospel Music. One form of music I really detest is Rap. This absolutely drives me nuts.
However.
Now, let me say that I do hold dear the old Christian Music and fully support any Church that maintains this practice. This doesn't work for many of our youth, does it? I visited a church once where the speakers were bigger than refrigerators. For 45 minutes those folks rocked and rolled all over the place but it was in good taste and each song delivered a Gospel Message about Christ. I only visited this church once but did I object to their style merely because it was different that what I was used to?
Elvis, Johnny Cash, just to name a couple of singers put Christian lyrics to many of their songs. Was this wrong? Were they sending a Christian message to those in our society that actually like that kind of rhythm? Is that wrong?
What if Christian youth of today begin to add Christian lyrics to rock music, or Rap music. Would this be wrong? Would we frown upon such and discourage them from attending our Churches? They claim to be Born Again.
Are we sometimes stuck in the mud?
Wondering what we can do to bring the youth back into church?
I don't have the answer but perhaps we need to look at ourselves first before we point the finger at others.
We are today, the product of how we were raised.
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite SupporterJkdbuck76 said: ↑If I read you correctly, you are saying that the church lacks discipleship and mentoring. If so, then I can tell you that the church I attend has the same problem. Sure, we have good singing and fellowship, but there is almost NO discipleship.Click to expand...
Unfortunately, you're not alone. Biblical illiteracy and the lack of discipleship is a huge problem in the Church today.
So when our house band gets old and dies, what next?Click to expand...
I've had any number of people tell me that my church lacks deep faith and discipleship.Click to expand...
Why? Discipleship takes hard work. Discipleship requires sacrifice. OK, I'm going to get off my soapbox now.Click to expand...
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite SupporterAaron said: ↑Parents are the god-ordained youth ministers. They are the ones expressly charged with bringing up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Just preach Christ and Him crucified, and don't worry about the demographics. The soul of a youth is not more than the souls of the elderly.Click to expand...
I run into "youth ministers" and alleged pastors all the time who have the big plates in their ears, tatoos all over the place, dressed slovenly, etc, because they want to attract hip young people.
Why? What happens when your church is full of young people? While it's true that there are a lot of young people who are a great voice for the Lord, where are the elderly saints the Bible tells us that God has put in the church to mentor and counsel the young people?
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My church is 75 percent seniors so we have a vested interest in reaching children, youth, middle aged, in addition to senior people. Personally I don't want the church I serve to be known as the senior citizen's church. Rather, I'd like it to be known as the eclectic church where there people of all ages serving and worshiping together.
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Fourth, "grown up under the ministry of a church" isn't any more a barometer of salvation than "grown up under the presidency of Richard Nixon". I think you are misunderstanding what was saying. Surely if a church is being used of God then children and youth who grow up under the ministry of that church will not leave the church and their faith when they leave home. Many like to criticize what other churches are doing or aren't doing with youth when the church they serve isn't doing any better than those they criticize.
In my church we have a very eclectic blend from traditional hymns (The Baptist Hymnal is a staple in my church), southern gospel, praise and worship, and from time to time "God forbid" popular classic rock songs rewritten with Christian lyrics such as "Amazing Grace" sung to the tune "The House of the Rising Sun" or "Can't You See What Jesus has Done for Me?" to the tune "Can't You See What That Woman is Doing to Me?" No "Gimmicks" though, just worship. -
sag38 said: ↑My church is 75 percent seniors so we have a vested interest in reaching children, youth, middle aged, in addition to senior people. Personally I don't want the church I serve to be known as the senior citizen's church. Rather, I'd like it to be known as the eclectic church where there people of all ages serving and worshiping together.Click to expand...
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supportersag38 said:Many like to criticize what other churches are doing or aren't doing with youth when the church they serve isn't doing any better than those they criticize.Click to expand...
But I'll bet they can tell you who the latest CCM artist is or tell you all about the last trip to the skating rink.
In my church we have a very eclectic blend from traditional hymns (The Baptist Hymnal is a staple in my church), southern gospel, praise and worship, and from time to time "God forbid" popular classic rock songs rewritten with Christian lyrics such as "Amazing Grace" sung to the tune "The House of the Rising Sun" or "Can't You See What Jesus has Done for Me?" to the tune "Can't You See What That Woman is Doing to Me?" No "Gimmicks" though, just worship.Click to expand...
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JohnDeereFan said: ↑Like I said, why is it that everybody is saying "What can we do to attract the youth", but nobody ever asks what they can do to attract old people.
I run into "youth ministers" and alleged pastors all the time who have the big plates in their ears, tatoos all over the place, dressed slovenly, etc, because they want to attract hip young people.
Why? What happens when your church is full of young people? While it's true that there are a lot of young people who are a great voice for the Lord, where are the elderly saints the Bible tells us that God has put in the church to mentor and counsel the young people?
And continuing on in that line, what sort of message does the youth obsession send to the elderly in the church?Click to expand... -
JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supportersag38 said: ↑My church is 75 percent seniors so we have a vested interest in reaching children, youth, middle aged, in addition to senior people. Personally I don't want the church I serve to be known as the senior citizen's church. Rather, I'd like it to be known as the eclectic church where there people of all ages serving and worshiping together.Click to expand...
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JohnDeereFan Well-Known MemberSite Supporterrevmwc said:when is the last time your church had a bible study for the males of the church, not the men and then tell the teens well your not quite old enough, they are. At 13 they should be old enough to join in with the older men.Click to expand...
How many of the youth know what their spiritual gift is and how often do you allow them to use it.Click to expand...
As a result, people are put to work right away, to the level of their ability and maturity in the Lord.
Somewhere in the congrgation you may have future pastor, help him develop, or a future evangelist help him develop.Click to expand...
Why the emphasis on the youth they are the future of the church and we need to ensure they will be well grounded in the faith.Click to expand...
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