(I came here and started to post this thread, then noticed the ongoing FIGHT between Calvinists and Arminianist, and almost didn’t post it. But decided to make it clear that this is not an anti-calvinist thread. I am just searching for answers.)
I am (truly) a Biblicist, but over the years, every Calvinist that I have brought this up to, claims to also be a Biblicist, but they can’t be: Because they lift up Calvinism as their paradigm. The only thing a Biblicist lifts up, is God’s Word.
(Calvinism comes close to the error found in Colossians 2:18, “worshipping of angels”)
And although I have heard men(Baptists), say that they “hate Calvinism”, I have never heard any of them claim to be an Arminianist. The reason for this is clear; Because Arminianism denies God’s Grace.
Although I don’t hate Calvinism, I do clearly recognize it’s Doctrinal errors.
This is an ongoing issue with me, because I am IFB, and most of my peers seem to act as though, they can win ANYONE to the Lord, if they are just forceful enough.
But I keep remembering the words of Jesus....
“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6:44)
Now although the Bible does say that EVERYONE will be drawn(John 12:32), and this will be the only times in their life when they can get saved; God doesn’t draw forever.
I will never forget the response I got from a good pastor friend of mine years ago, when I was talking to him about “election”, he quoted some famous evangelist who once said, ... “it seems the more people I witness to the more get elected.”
I started to ask him, “how did he know they were elected?” (Just because they made a profession of faith!?!)
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One of the reasons this is an ongoing issue with me, is because (as always), if I am wrong about something(anything), I want to be corrected. But God’s Word clearly teaches that everyone who will trust Christ is elected to; (but this election is not UNCONDITIONAL).
My personal search for answers
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by stilllearning, Jul 17, 2013.
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Well, I will begin with one of the most ridiculous points in your accusation that 'Calvinists worship angels'. Really? You know better than that (I hope).
Now to conditional election. Election is conditional upon who, man? So a man jumps through the right hoops and God chooses that man 'conditionally'? If so the God you speak of must be a 'respecter of persons' and salvation is no longer a gift, but a reward. -
The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Such a genuine heart felt Christian response, no wonder the poor fella didn't want to post anything. -
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
What if I took the scripture passage that talks about "will worship" and claimed that you guys are into "will worship"????? How would you respond?
Col. 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. -
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It is my hope that you will find edification in the threads that guide your thinking.
As Paul said, accept as precious metal that which is according to the Word of God and trash the rest.
Here is are suggestions when following a thread.See what Scripture is posted, and when is it used in the most consistently literal way."Iron sharpens iron" and often in a thread two views will be left on the table for the readers to make their own determination as to the real truth - to accept one side or the other, or to reject all sides.
See what Scripture is posted that in the context of that verse supports what a poster is addressing.
When you discern there is error, don't neglect to post the problem to seek clarification and/or state a different point of view.
Remember that the Scriptures are the final authority.
Not human philosophy and schemes.
One other point.
I have yet to met a Calvinistic thinking believer who does not lift up the Word of God far above Calvin. In fact, most reject some of what Calvin taught. -
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Just ads reminder: there are more options than just Calvinism or Arminianism.
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Where do people come up with this stuff????? -
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I have cordially invited the poster whose looking for answers but asks no questions but only makes accusations to join me. Nobody will touch it with a ten foot pole! I can't even get them to show why my contextual analysis is wrong even though I beg and invite them to participate. Well maybe this preachinJesus poster will show up and reveal where I am wrong in my contextual analysis????:jesus: -
Stilllearning gave his arguments (accusations) or has 'brought it' so it's time for him to elaborate on his assumptions and prove them. I call him on what he said and figure he's big enough to defend his assumptions. I highly doubt that he can furnish proof for any of them.
I post my rebuttal one more time:
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Thus your expanding your premise to others is unfounded and is a pretense on your part and you act as if you've befuddled many.
Frankly you haven't.
Your invitation was to one, no need to pretend it was to many and as if many can't answer you. Stick to facts without the sensationalism on your part. :thumbs: -
The OP didn't say that Calvinist worship angles. Read it again fellas! You all are reading your own hatred into this man's text. He said what the Calvinists do is CLOSE to what is said about "worshiping of angels" in Colossians because he's comparing that to the worship of a man (Calvin).
Good night learn to at least make accurate accusations if you are going to step all over the guy.:wavey: -
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